Cold Fusion a reality?

[Deleted]

I found this, it could be one of mankinds greatests achievements if it isn't a fraud:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...density-of-gas

[MerinPally]

To quote the article, it says it hasn't undergone Peer Review. Until such a thing happens there's nothing to discuss and no proof. Was a cold fusion hoax years ago that got published into a major journal, upon peer review noone could replicate it and it was discovered they fabricated results. They were struck off and their careers died. They were also punished as it's illegal to do that sorta stuff.

Also, I'm no expert but some of the physics sounds a bit questionable, as does the chemistry. It doesn't sound too friendly towards the 3rd law of thermodynamics either...

[Deleted]

To quote the article, it says it hasn't undergone Peer Review. Until such a thing happens there's nothing to discuss and no proof. Was a cold fusion hoax years ago that got published into a major journal, upon peer review noone could replicate it and it was discovered they fabricated results. They were struck off and their careers died. They were also punished as it's illegal to do that sorta stuff.

Also, I'm no expert but some of the physics sounds a bit questionable, as does the chemistry. It doesn't sound too friendly towards the 3rd law of thermodynamics either...

Might be, cold fusion must be the holy grail of energy production, only second to anti-matter.

So fraud is a possibility if not a probability.

[MerinPally]

Well, with which is better between cold fusion and antimatter depends on the speed it can be created and the cost of it. Even if one produces more than the other, it'll be easier and cheaper to scale one up than use the other one. Also a safety factor.

[Deleted]

Might be, cold fusion must be the holy grail of energy production, only second to anti-matter.

So fraud is a possibility if not a probability.

As it stands, all Cold Fusion really comes down to being a pipe dream. Literally every genuine attempt to create it has just gone nowhere. It doesn't mean it's not possible at all, just not possible now.

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Anti-Matter as it stands is really fucking expensive.

[Wezmon]

Might be, cold fusion must be the holy grail of energy production, only second to anti-matter.

So fraud is a possibility if not a probability.

Cold fusion would trump anti matter, as the anti matter has to be produced by conventional means. In cold fusion your fuel is hydrogen which is a lot easier to produce (and would in the long run be produced by the reactor itself, leading to the actual fuel being water)

[Deleted]

Cold fusion would trump anti matter, as the anti matter has to be produced by conventional means. In cold fusion your fuel is hydrogen which is a lot easier to produce (and would in the long run be produced by the reactor itself, leading to the actual fuel being water)

Only for basic operations. High power requirement operations (Crazy high power too, not power a planet kinda small, blow up a quadrant kinda power) Anti-matter would be much better.

[Deleted]

Well, with which is better between cold fusion and antimatter depends on the speed it can be created and the cost of it. Even if one produces more than the other, it'll be easier and cheaper to scale one up than use the other one. Also a safety factor.

I wasn't paying attention to production speed/cost, I was thinking about fuel efficiency

[Dezerte]

Looks like it's the same guys from last year;

The March test is to be considered an improvement over the one performed in December, in that various problems encountered in the first experiment were addressed and solved in the second one. In the next test experiment which is expected to start in the summer of 2013, and will last about six months, a long term performance of the E-Cat HT2 will be tested. This test will be crucial for further attempts to unveil the origin of the heat phenomenon observed so far.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

[MerinPally]

I wasn't paying attention to production speed/cost, I was thinking about fuel efficiency

Doesn't matter too much because with either of them becoming a thing, everything else moves on and it can be solved. We'd need such small amounts as well that it shouldn't be an issue in terms of waste or making it

[Deleted]

Doesn't matter too much because with either of them becoming a thing, everything else moves on and it can be solved. We'd need such small amounts as well that it shouldn't be an issue in terms of waste or making it

Humankind is addicted to energy, the more we produce the more we need, even when we have a cold fusion generator in every houshold, mankind will still need bigger better and stronger energy sources.
(but probably not the first decades after cold fusion becomes a thing)

[Netherspark]

I thought I recognized the name.... i'm pretty sure this has already been revealed to be bollocks.

[Deleted]

Humankind is addicted to energy, the more we produce the more we need, even when we have a cold fusion generator in every houshold, mankind will still need bigger better and stronger energy sources.
(but probably not the first decades after cold fusion becomes a thing)

It is very possible for us to overcome the energy scarcity (if we can call it that?). Even if normal fusion becomes an efficient enough thing shit just go easier.

[Deleted]

I thought I recognized the name.... i'm pretty sure this has already been revealed to be bollocks.

Could be, otherwise it would have been frontpage news by now

[Lagwin]

Been following this for the last few years and tbh no one has out and out said it's a hoax, the first unit was sold to the American military(allegedly)...Nasa had a look and have since started working on their own projects.

The tests mentioned were independently done and the results given are supposedly more of a worst case result.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/05/ec...-party-report/
For a link to the full report in that article as well.

From what i understand there are several projects running now and the term "cold fusion" has been dropped due to the negative stigma that is attached to it....they are calling it Low energy nuclear reaction , L.E.N.R. for short.

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Could be, otherwise it would have been frontpage news by now

The reason it is not fron page news is most news agencies ignored it because of the Fleischmann–Pons experiment that got totally fucked by the media the last time, now anytime cold fusion is mentioned you get a lot of negativity because of that particular incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

Also because of the Fleischmann–Pons experiment it has become next to impossible to apply for a patent for anything that claims to do just that.

[Deleted]

Been following this for the last few years and tbh no one has out and out said it's a hoax, the first unit was sold to the American military(allegedly)...Nasa had a look and have since started working on their own projects.

The tests mentioned were independently done and the results given are supposedly more of a worst case result.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/05/ec...-party-report/
For a link to the full report in that article as well.

From what i understand there are several projects running now and the term "cold fusion" has been dropped due to the negative stigma that is attached to it....they are calling it Low energy nuclear reaction , L.E.N.R. for short.

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The reason it is not fron page news is most news agencies ignored it because of the Fleischmann–Pons experiment that got totally fucked by the media the last time, now anytime cold fusion is mentioned you get a lot of negativity because of that particular incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

I just skipped to the conclusions (because the maths made me scared) and this cought my eye

Both have indicated heat production from an unknown reaction primed by heat from resistor coils.

So at worst its an interesting experiment

[Reg]

I wasn't paying attention to production speed/cost, I was thinking about fuel efficiency

In terms of efficiency, anti-matter is 100% efficient so you are correct in that manner. And there is no by-product other than energy, so no waste. The only problem right now is the cost of making it. Apparently it's trillions of dollars just to make a gram of the stuff.

[Lagwin]

Forbes article and previous articles on it at the bottom
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibb...nge-after-all/

[Baracuda]

If it gets confirmed we can jump for joy, not before :/

[Lagwin]

If it gets confirmed we can jump for joy, not before :/

lol trust me...i was kinda excited a few years ago about this...now i'm just interested, while it's nice to see something in the way of confirmation i'll be waiting until they start mass producing the smaller units before getting excited again.

Also just a quick note...the experiments they have done the reports on were 96 hours i think they said before they shut them down(no idea why they did) but there was "fuel" enough for longer