New frost AOE rotation after patch?

[antiscian]

Just curious how frost mages are doing their new AOE rotation after the AOE buffs?

[jtmzac]

You can use flamestrike more and that's about it. Blizzard still isn't worth using unless there's a lot of targets.

Always remember to use glyphed CoC as it does a huge amount of damage.

[Kodaz]

Go mastery arcane and spam AE. Huge dps on multiple targets, then arcane barrage when u hit 4 stacks and repeat. I find flame strike useless, blizzard is good if you can't be bothered pressing your keys

[mrgreenthump]

Go mastery arcane and spam AE. Huge dps on multiple targets, then arcane barrage when u hit 4 stacks and repeat. I find flame strike useless, blizzard is good if you can't be bothered pressing your keys

You find something that does double damage and takes 33% longer to cast as AE useless.. ok then

[jtmzac]

You can shatter flamestrike too. Makes the DoT part crit nearly every time.

Flamestrike, frost bomb, CoC shatter does amazing damage.

[Kodaz]

You find something that does double damage and takes 33% longer to cast as AE useless.. ok then

Well I can cast 2 AEs in the time it takes to cast flamestrike, so given AE has a larger radius of explosion and is instant cast, yes I do find flamestrike useless.

[mrgreenthump]

Well I can cast 2 AEs in the time it takes to cast flamestrike, so given AE has a larger radius of explosion and is instant cast, yes I do find flamestrike useless.

No, you can't.. Arcane explosion has a 1.5 second Global cooldown and Flamestrike has a 2 second cast time. 2/1.5=~1.33

So you can cast 1.33 AE's in the time it takes to cast Flamestrike.

[Ruak]

And with enough haste your GCD drops down to 1 second, so you can cast exactly 2 AE's in a 2-second timespan

[jtmzac]

And with enough haste your GCD drops down to 1 second, so you can cast exactly 2 AE's in a 2-second timespan

And at that level of haste flamestrike only has a 1.33 second cast time :P

[Tiga]

Blizzard should be very good in a situation where you have a silly amount of haste (trinket, meta, icy veins, ...) and it's especially good if you use it just before your haste buffs expire.

[Proakryt]

And at that level of haste flamestrike only has a 1.33 second cast time :P

Its almost like haste affects all our spells

[Tiga]

One thing to note about Flamestrike is that it scales with haste twice: once for the cast time and then you can also gain extra DOT ticks at certain haste breakpoints. At 100% haste, Flamestrike is a 1 second cast and the DOT damage has doubled, so it does more than twice the damage of a non-hasted FS. Arcane explosion on the other hand caps at 50% haste and doesn't improve from there on.

[antiscian]

You can shatter flamestrike too. Makes the DoT part crit nearly every time.

Flamestrike, frost bomb, CoC shatter does amazing damage.

Sorry for stupid question but maybe I am not utilizing shatter enough. My DPS is great but this could add to it. I use shatter but what is the exact cast sequence to make this happen? Freeze with water ele or frost nova?

[Keiyra]

Sorry for stupid question but maybe I am not utilizing shatter enough. My DPS is great but this could add to it. I use shatter but what is the exact cast sequence to make this happen? Freeze with water ele or frost nova?

You'd have to use pet Freeze to make it work. You'd cast frost bomb first, you'd start casting flame strike so that it would finish just as the bomb was about to explode. Just before you finish Flamestrike cast, you hit pet Freeze since its off the GCD, at the same time you queue CoC to cast right after flamestrike.

Flamestrike and bomb should both go off at the same time with everything frozen, and if ur lucky CoC will still catch em before the freeze breaks. Very large burst aoe but its a fair amount of set up - obviously only works on trash/mobs that are rootable.

[jtmzac]

Its not the easiest thing to do but its good fun on the trash in HoF and the trash before qon (kill the 2 big guys first then pull all the quillen at once).

Without pet freeze you can really only do a frost bomb, frost nova shatter and if your lucky you can CoC before the nova breaks.

[antiscian]

Thanks guys big help