The problem with people like you is if they so much as now mention Thrall in anything, you moan about it, even when he should be integral to the events happening in the story. You know what, he was a central hero in WC3, but we didn't hear the insipid whining from people like you about the characters in the story then.
It has nothing to do with character development. All this is, is whats coming from players with a bug up there back end about a lore character being a central role in the story. Now they can't even give him development because of the pissy whiners in the game.
It does depend rather heavily however on how it is handled.
So what your saying is, the lore is so shit these days the only way your feel anything is to kill off a main character?
How long would that last? A day or so, and then what? MORE shit lore to follow.
If they kill Thrall, it will be for the cheapness of the shock value, and if thats all they can do to thrill you, thats all your get.
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There can be many more shocking/interesting scenarios. Like Thrall going there and actually joining Garrosh in the campaign against Vol'Jin. You didn't see this coming, did you!
I had considered that Garrosh was a demon. After all, Kil'Jaeden is known as 'The Deceiver', and it's known he can take on almost any form (much like Dragons and their Human-esque forms). With the next expansion being hinted heavily as being Burning Legion based, this would make sense. Think about it;
Imagine if Garrosh had succeeded in controlling the entire Horde into his way of thinking. We'd overrun and destroy the Alliance from pure rage. At this point, half the population of Azeroth has been annihilated, and the demon-controlled leader now gives the Burning Legion a massive army that's terrifying in both scope and danger.
Garrosh has failed to do that though. However, the outcome could still have been splitting the Horde apart. This would weaken the entire force of those on Azeroth, making it ripe for an invasion by the Legion. Only the Alliance is left united. The Horde is easy to pick apart as each race now hates the others, and so they don't have the benefits the others brought (e.g. Blood Elves brought the strongest magic, Taurens brought the hardiest warriors, Orcs brought the most dangerous fighters, Undead brought the numbers, cannon fodder and a self-regenerative army, and Trolls brought the stealthiest infiltrators).
The actual outcome; Only those following Garrosh are split from the rest of the Horde, and so the unit as a whole isn't significantly weakened. Rather, their strength is bolstered by Vol'jin surviving an assassination attempt, Thrall going through his training, Baine taking his fathers place and having a personal reason for hating Garrosh (even if it wasn't his fault, I still think he sees Garrosh as partly responsible), and Chen joining up with the Horde.
It just makes sense that Garrosh is either the Deceiver himself, or is being influenced by him. He's power-mad, we know that already, but him being influenced by the legion, even if he didn't know it, would be such a fantastic bridge between the 2 expansions, something that I've not seen done so well before (e.g. KJ didn't hint at Wrath that heavily -- only the obscure legion-scourge reference was there, LK didn't hint at Cataclysm at all, and DW didn't hint at mists). By having it end on Demon-related note and opening the next chapter on that same note, it'd just be a perfect continuation between the 2 arcs.
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What if they pull a Fable 3 and Garrosh is all like "yeah there's this super big bad coming and i did everything i did to build up an army to fight them off".
The lore of Warcraft is, for the most part, perfectly fine; there are a couple holes, but other than that, fine. Killing Thrall wouldn't affect the lore in one way or another; people die. People don't kick up a stink about Uther or anyone else having died on a lore basis; they kick up a stink about how they died on a storytelling basis.
The (main) stories that are being told are, for the most part, pretty rubbish, MoP included; they've been sloppy at best since TBC (and I'm mainly excluding vanilla because it didn't even have a single main plot thread). Killing Thrall wouldn't affect the quality of the stories being written, you're right, but it could serve as a good dramatic device to help make this one better. I'd rather 1 decent-ish story, 3 shit ones and a dead Thrall over 4 shit ones and a living Thrall (assuming that killing Thrall would fix the holes in MoP, which it won't).
Blizzard said that Garrosh is acting of his own accord; he isn't corrupted, possessed, etc by anything. However, that doesn't mean his advisors aren't; I mean, Malkorok's name starts with Mal. Who else's name starts with Mal? THAT'S RIGHT, MAL'GANIS
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I think it would be kinda cool if they could open up a whole other faction with garrosh running off. Don't think it would happen though and I don't think we would see any key people dieing off.
Thrall, if he were to die by Garrosh's hand at the beginning of 5.4 would have earned an end worthy of his deeds. He would finally die a hero, seeking for peace, not a Mary Jane who ruined Cataclysm.
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I would argue that Arthas and Illidan were easily as iconic, probably more iconic, and certainly more popular. And frankly, Thrall should have been killed off a long time ago. I'd greatly enjoy it if Garrosh didn't die, he is an interesting character, and unique as a racial leader who is fine with waging war to make his own people powerful. I'll never understand why people expect tons of peace, and cooperation between factions. The game takes place in a Medieval/Fuedal era, war was fought all the time to make your own country/people more wealthy and secure. Sylvanas is the only other leader like that, but even she appears to only be interested in reclaiming the Lordaeron area.Thrall is the biggest icon of Warcraft since WC3 (I mean Blizz has his statue in frot of their company building for fsake), so that would be kinnda bad move.
Even more would be that if it did happen, it would just repeat the history with Duratan and Draka.
I see Garrosh's death this soon as a waste. I'd be quite happy to see him escape with some loyalists and begin rebuilding the Blackrock or even Fel Orc factions.
Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfangi7-860 @2.8GHz | Radeon HD 7770 | 8GB DDR3-1333MHz | Corsair CX 430W |
What if Thrall goes to Org to try and talk to big daddy G and ends up getting corrupted/tranformed by Garrosh using the artifact from dark heart of pandaria
and then he becomes a raid boss, at 5% or whatever % they wanted he begs you to kill him.
I still think having the legion involved and revealed at the end would be a great bridge (assuming that it is indeed). Mal'ganis was predicted for ICC if I recall as he said 'he'd be back', but never did return after the defeat in Northrend. Having him return now would seem a little odd but it would brush in nicely on both sides of him returning AND leading us to the next expansion (again, assuming next exp. is the legion).
I do wonder if the dragon prince will reveal his true nature though. I've been sceptical since the beginning. Having him influencing players and being a pivotal character that's not yet had a major role in the expansion would be a good state of continuity if Garrosh is indeed being influenced by demons (for example, if the dragon had taken up sides with the legion). By using a dragon as opposed to a human, he can 'explain' the red eyes and not seem as suspicious, when the reality could run as deep as him being corrupted by the legion and told to influence the players to destroy the other side (as evidenced by the 5.1 quests). By also getting rid of the Thunder king, it makes the legion have one less potential enemy to deal with if they tried to invade.
I just feel that the final fight will reveal a LOT of things to us that we should have seen all along as character (obviously as players we can speculate, but as characters in the game world, we can only assume the best from those that approach us, and only the most simple explanation makes sense when we talk about Garrosh -- again, that's only applying to characters and not to us as real people).
One thing's for sure; They best no have touched Saurfang. That would just destroy the story. Not being seen since Northrend and a character no one wants to see killed off.
Since Pride will be the last head (Sha) we kill, the heroic-only encounter could be a fight against some visage of Y'Shaarj. I always liked the old gods the most and I would not mind if they brought back this dead one somehow