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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by Leper C View Post
    While I know Wrathion etc have hinted at what appears to be the Burning Legion's return, I have a theory about a possible fifth expansion to set the stage first, so to speak. After the stuff going down between the horde and alliance in Pandaria, there is no way we would recuperate following Garrosh's defeat in time to face off against the Legion so soon. Instead, here is my guess at what's coming (I am willing to put money on this or something close to it being in expansion 5):

    "World of Warcraft: Call of the Abyss"

    Following the defeat of Garrosh and his Kor'kron horde, talk of peace has finally resumed between the Alliance and the Horde. Wrathion's grave warnings regarding Azeroth's future have begun to spread, and many of the world's denizens begin to feel a darkness approaching. Deep below the surface of Azeroth's swirling Maelstrom, something stirs...

    Queen Azshara has made her presence known after millenia spent beneath the seas. Nazjatar, the sunken city and home of the Naga, has risen from the depths, sending forth the horrors of the Abyss into an already-fragile world. Seeking not to destroy Azeroth, but to unite it beneath her scaly fist, Azshara (and her Old God master(s)) believe they are the only hope of defending their planet against the coming of the Legion.

    Following Azshara's defeat at the hands of Azeroth's guardians and the ancients of the Emerald Dream in the War of the Ancients 10,000 years ago, she was left to brood, plan, and prepare beneath the waters. Given her experience with the druids and their ancients, she and her Old God's minions preemptively sabotaged the Dream with their Emerald Nightmare, hoping to claim its power for their own. Much of Nazjatar is phased between the Dream and terrestrial Azeroth as a result.

    Neptulon, lord of the Abyssal Maw, has once again called to the mortals of Azeroth for aid against Azshara's forces, who seek dominion over his realm in their unending conquest.

    Malfurion and Tyrande, along with their Ancients, have again allied themselves with the Alliance and Horde in this new fight, but an old foe has been reborn from the raging energies of the Dream: Illidan Stormrage.

    Seeking not power nor control, Illidan has come to our aid, having himself witnessed the War of the Ancients firsthand, now wishing to finally make his amends with the world, and repent for his crimes. Maiev, one his greatest rivals, seeks to reveal what she believes to be his greatest treachery yet, and destroy him once and for all. Malfurion, Tyrande, Maiev, and countless others find themselves torn between distrust and necessity in Illidan's return. This could even reignite a saucy love triangle between Malfurion, Tyrande, and Illidan.

    Wrathion, interested in seeing if Azeroth's defenders can finally put aside their hatred and distrust, has begun observing from the shadows and aiding the most brave adventurers once more, for if we cannot learn to stand together now, there will be no hope in standing against the inevitable shadow of the Legion.

    Features:
    • New landmass of Nazjatar (8 or so zones), risen from the sea surrounding and containing the Maelstrom (maps from Cata can be changed to reflect this). Parts are still submerged, others merged with Azshara's horrific vision of the Emerald Dream, but all are dripping with the terrors of the newly awakened Abyss
    • Increased level cap to 100
    • No new classes (Pandaria gave us one, that's enough for now), but possibly a new neutral race (A splinter faction of naga, mayhaps)
    • A new hub city a la Shattrath and Dalaran, as the Alliance and Horde practice their teamwork (Perhaps a pvp zone could be tied to this hub, since scuffles would be likely given the history between our two factions)
    • More than one tier of raid content at release. Even if their availability is staggered, it still creates a feeling of more content (this philosophy also works for ten levels instead of five. Even if the time to level is equal to cata/mists launch, having ten levels and more zones feels more satisfying, imo)
    • No all-underwater zones, but maybe more submerged areas within zones. This, and a submerged area in the hub city will allow for players to attain, and actually use, more aquatic mounts
    • The Tomb of Sargeras (conveniently located in the sea) will be important, and involve something to toact as a segue into expansion 6. Maybe Azshara wants something of value there, but in doing so unwittingly allows the Legion to access Azeroth (since they always seem to have issues doing that on their own)

    Small Expansion 6 Blurb:
    Azshara's defeat will (ideally) secure Azeroth against the coming invasion, where we will be free to take the fight to the Legion preemptively via a revamped Outland, or at least new lands beyond Outland's portals, in expansion 6. Illidan's return will also allow for the training of a new league of Demon Hunters to aid in this first strike, so we can get that new class everyone seems to want (just not in expansion 5).

    Edits: Fixed some grammar, typing on a tablet blows...
    Really great and detailed, though one error I found. The Old Gods wouldn't want to help prevent the upcoming Legion attack but rather try to pressure it to happen. With the arrival of the Legion, it might cause enough damage to set free the Old Gods, and with the Old gods being unleashed and released from their prisons they would have the capability of taking over the whole Legion and defeating Sargeras. That was their initial plan during the War of the Ancients.
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  2. #382
    Hmm, yeah I have not been as heavily into lore as I used to be, so I must have forgotten that. How about, Azshara and her "masters" rise from the depths to secure the Tomb of Sargeras, and usher in a legion invasion (for the aforementioned reason of the legion being incapable of invading without an invitation), which would lead to their freedom if the legion defeat the mortals. I guess the old god corruption could play into the challenges in establishing a peace between the Alliance and Horde, with Azshara attempting to "softrn us up" for an easy Legion victory. We stop Azshara at the end of the expansion, but the tomb gets opened and the Legion take advantage of whatever the tomb can do (blizz can easily make up some lore regarding the tomb's power), so we end up with a Legion invasion, but could still do a preemptive Outland portal vacation to sabotage the invasion force.

    ---------- Post added 2013-06-07 at 10:29 PM ----------

    I also have a feeling that, since the addition of Draenei in TBC eliminated the lore of Sargeras being corrupted by the Eredar, blizzard is going to say that he was corrupted by the Old Gods around the universe during his travels as the Pantheon's champion. The goal of the legion to sow chaos seems to mesh with the Old Gods imo

  3. #383
    If the next expansion isn't legion based i'm gonna be pissed. This game needs to get back to its roots in a bad way.

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  4. #384
    You mean its roots of Orcs fighting Humans? Or WoW's origins specifically, which were basically horde vs alliance with dragons, trolls, an old god, and an undead wc3 character for raid bosses? Even the burning crusade, our supposed legion expansion, featured very little legion-story advancement

    Edit: Forgot about sunwell, which really seemed like an afterthought storywise, with the focus on illidan and his posse throughout the majority of the expansion
    Last edited by Leper C; 2013-06-08 at 04:07 AM.

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by Redmage View Post
    If the next expansion isn't legion based i'm gonna be pissed. This game needs to get back to its roots in a bad way.
    Back to it's roots? It's roots is Orcs vs. Humans.
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  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by Leper C View Post
    You mean its roots of Orcs fighting Humans? Or WoW's origins specifically, which were basically horde vs alliance with dragons, trolls, an old god, and an undead wc3 character for raid bosses? Even the burning crusade, our supposed legion expansion, featured very little legion-story advancement

    Edit: Forgot about sunwell, which really seemed like an afterthought storywise, with the focus on illidan and his posse throughout the majority of the expansion
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Back to it's roots? It's roots is Orcs vs. Humans.
    I would say that WC3 is still part of the 'roots' period. I mean it's hard to believe, but that came out over 10 years ago. Lots of legion in WC3. Besides, I think WC3 is when the Warcraft IP really developed a solid foundaton for it's player base going into WoW.

    Speaking of which, going to play some WC3 this weekend and get a refresher on it.

    Anyways, I wanted to post up the latest tier drawing: I redid Warrior T17. And while it's not technically 'plate' anymore, I thought it would be cool to have as part of the introduction of the fourth spec, Blademaster.

    Warrior T17
    Tojara's Decree of Blood



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    Out of topic question, but do you by any chance have a concept art of Y'Shaarj? If so will you be able to link it to me? Thank you and you're concepts arts are all amazing! You have some talent there!
    Thanks, but no I don't - sorry.
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    I like turtles. I would like turtle-based tier sets. I would like a turtle shell helmet, and perhaps a cheeseburger backpack and a chestpiece that simply places a red gemstone on my bellybutton.

  7. #387
    Ah, well, Warcraft is going to be 20 next year, it goes back way farther than 2002. Since WoW and WC3 were in development together, you could argue they both share the same roots from the 90s, not that WC3 provided the bedrock for WoW. But nevertheless, we have had ONE expansion based on a character from pre-WC3.. It was Cataclysm and Deathwing. Every other expansion, even the pandas, are based on WC3 characters. This game has barely explored anything outside of WC3. I think blizzard needs to move on at some point, though im sure many will accuse them of butchering lore once they do.

  8. #388
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    next expansion wont have any legion. maybe the one after that though

  9. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnor View Post
    next expansion wont have any legion. maybe the one after that though
    I would be content with just one Dreadlord being a part of a central story arc.
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    I like turtles. I would like turtle-based tier sets. I would like a turtle shell helmet, and perhaps a cheeseburger backpack and a chestpiece that simply places a red gemstone on my bellybutton.

  10. #390
    It makes sense, to me at least, that the next expansion wouldn't be demon-themed. At least not as the central plot-line. Tie up all the loose ends on Azeroth first, deal with the Naga, possibly another Old God, make the remaining known landmasses available (Kezan, Kul'Tiras, etc), and see how relations between the Horde and Alliance go in a post-Garrosh world.
    Then for the 95-100 expansion, we go kick some demon arse.

  11. #391
    If the next expansion is Burning Legion-themed once again, I guess it would be a good excuse for Blizzard to go back and revamp the entire Outland experience, just like they did for Azeroth in Cataclysm.

    Once you finish leveling 1-58/60 on a character and step into Hellfire Peninsula, it feels like going back in time. The quests are not as interesting or varied like what the new Azeroth offered you, and the graphics and environment feels the most outdated of all landmasses right now.

  12. #392
    MOAR. This is awesome and really well done!
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  13. #393
    Someone spent way too much time writing this up.

  14. #394
    Next Expansion:
    Back of the Burning Legion
    Final boss: Kil'jaeden
    New "continent": Xoroth, Argus, other "planet"
    New class: Demon Hunter
    New races: maybe Ogres for Horde, and high Elves for Alliance
    +new models
    +Illidan in this expansion(I mean not a boss(See above), but someone who's helping us, like Tirion in Wotlk),


    I'm not talking about my "dream expansion" I'm talking about what is most predictable for me.

    Why?
    People have always wanted Demon Hunters + Burning Legion, and Blizzard know that. This would give them MANY, MAAANY subscriptions back.

    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    Warrior T17
    Tojara's Decree of Blood
    I like the idea, but it doesn't have chest armor.

  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    I'm squealing with joy right now. This is the first info of South Seas in a long while.

    FU I'm taking the next expansion off if I see any more trolls.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    +Illidan in this expansion(I mean not a boss(See above), but someone who's helping us, like Tirion in Wotlk),

    Illidan is already helping us in Well of Ethernity.

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    I would prefer Furbolgs or High Elves for alliance they both actually have faction officially with the Alliance. I dont want any of these randonm races for alliance deals that blizzard keep giving us, like Pandaren, Worgen or Draenei. We already have races available to us, Why are they not playable for us yet?

    Ogres for Horde is pretty good, thehorde already have a group of Ogres in their faction already so to make them playable would be a good idea.
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  17. #397
    Arms warriors pretty much are blademasters. Don't know why they'd need a 4th spec.

  18. #398
    Quote Originally Posted by Moshic View Post
    FU I'm taking the next expansion off if I see any more trolls.
    Lol well you better start take an expansion off cause we are not even close to dealing with trolls



    Illidan is already helping us in Well of Ethernity.
    That was 10,00 years ago before the sundering and we already killed him in Black Temple(He will most likely come back since it is the burning legion expanison)

  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    Next Expansion:
    Back of the Burning Legion
    Final boss: Kil'jaeden
    New "continent": Xoroth, Argus, other "planet"
    New class: Demon Hunter
    New races: maybe Ogres for Horde, and high Elves for Alliance
    +new models
    +Illidan in this expansion(I mean not a boss(See above), but someone who's helping us, like Tirion in Wotlk),


    I'm not talking about my "dream expansion" I'm talking about what is most predictable for me.

    Why?
    People have always wanted Demon Hunters + Burning Legion, and Blizzard know that. This would give them MANY, MAAANY subscriptions back.


    I like the idea, but it doesn't have chest armor.
    Just hold on for a moment.

    Why the crude, should KJ be the final boss? Don't you think this is too predictable and bad for the story flow? Remember, he was allready the final last endboss in TBC in the last final raid Sunwell. He might have a return cause he is currently in lead of the burning legion and powerful and all and was just banished to the twisting nether. BUT, 2 times as final endboss of an expansion is ridiculous. could as well have illidan or arthas which both got way more detailed lore have 2x times as endboss and in case of illidan it would even make more sense as he is pretty smart and incredible powerful. Its easy to imagine he wanted to be on top of the burning legion just so he is no longer in danger anymore, he gets stronger and stronger while KJ things he is in control and too powerful and smart to get his arse kicked.

    Unfortunately some lore characters stopped illidan in Black Temple.

    Why not make KJ, the first endboss of the first raid tier in the 2nd TBC xpack? I mean after he got deafeated there will be a big hole in the lead of the legion and Sargeras might come back in some form, for the real final deal? Might be also a reasion for Sargeras if KJ, gets destroyed early on and unexpected, that he returns sooner as planned and thus is in a weakened state, so some lore characters and a raid can take on him at all and stop him. Even Titans that possible pursue the Legion might come into our way and we have to fight them, just to proove we are strong enough and worthy.(all the titans did this with us look ulduar and ToT secret bosses)

    I think after filler xpacks as cata and pandaria(lore wise), the core of the lore must finally be pushed a bit.

    And i do not think its creative writing if KJ is the endboss of the next xpack either way, there are twists and competition in the legion all the time KJ has to fight for his position in and outside. Why assume he will be there forever? He might be smart and powerful, but isn't god like Sargeras who got some masterplans to survive everything, even his death.

    Btw, Ilidan helping us......thats exactly like Sarevok in baldurs gate 2: throne of bhaal returning and helping us, it was allready there. Better would be we would know that illidan survived the deal at BT and just was send to the twisting nether made his way to argus and with some clever tactics and power development replaced KJ and he is the leader of the Burning Legion now, that would be much more fun.
    Also the love story between Illidan and Tyrande seems not finished yet, as powerhungry burning legion leader he might put more pressure on her.*lol*

    Similar what happened to Blackhand when Orgrim Doomhammer ambushed him for the title "warchief".

    Well i also have the theory, that the tortured memory of Lady Sylvannas might bring arthas back at sometime as she is allready acting exactly like him using valkyrs to reanimate and control the dead and her obsession with him and all. But thast another story.

    Of course bringing the same lore characters back all the time isn't that much of a good story, just want to point out whats all possible.
    Last edited by Tyrannica; 2013-06-09 at 02:10 PM.

  20. #400
    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    Yeah, on the Arakkoa boobs I actually thought about it a little bit and decided to go with them. In my personal opinion, if I was a legit game designer I probably wouldn't have went the boob route only because I think they are just so overplayed and over... developed in so many games these days. But I was thinking about what I think Blizzard would actually do and looking at all of their female races, who have boobs, I figured they would do the same. Would they still lay eggs? Probably. Either way I thought it was also a good way to distinguish the design of the male with the female.
    Maybe all the current races have boobs because they're all mammals as of now? :P I think it'd be quite refreshing if female arakkoa were only marginally different from the males. I mean, people playing a bird race probably wouldn't be looking for sexiness anyway.
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