Good PC Build? WoW ULTRA and new games.

[kubasniak]

Hi
I build a PC for playing games like WoW, LoL, Far Cry 3, BF 3, CoD, D3 etc. I want to run WoW on ultra settings. I will not overclock EVER.

That's the build:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/10fnL

Can You help me and tell me If that's good build? Is there something that I overpay or I should change? If yes then please tell me why

Btw 750W power supply is enough for that?

[Deleted]

750 is wayyy overkill. And you'll definitely need to OC to get WoW to be playable on Ultra.

IF you wait a week, then using this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.88 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.00 @ Vuugo)
Case: MSI TC- (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.72 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.99 @ Memory Express)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Canada Computers)
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($247.05 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Total: $1497.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-27 13:40 EDT-0400)

Replacingt the italicized parts with the newer components (i5-4670k, z87 equivalent mobo and the GTX770, price permitting), it'll knock all the games around, with only WoW being somewhat limited (due to the game, not the hardware). Added to that, the list above comes to only CA$10 more than your proposed list. Unless you're doing heavy video-editing/streaming, go for the Core i5. The extra expenditure's not worth it otherwise.

EDIT: also, I added an SSD in the rig with the savings on the case/CPU.

[vesseblah]

And you'll definitely need to OC to get WoW to be playable on Ultra.

It's "playable" without overclocking, but OC does help.

[kubasniak]

Thanks bro. Why your build has lower benchmarks and costs the same amount of money?

And you'll definitely need to OC to get WoW to be playable on Ultra.

I said I don't plan to overclock ever and no one can convince me, sorry. Even If I can't play on ultra with ultra shadows.

IF you wait a week, then using this build:

Why wait a week?

I took your power supply to my build instead my overkill 750W. I don't want SSD yet.

I think I will play WoW on ultra settings with high shadow or disabled shadow. I want to buy 120hz monitor to feel everything smooth.

Will my little modified build run WoW on ~120 fps with shadows turned off?
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/10tc5

[chazus]

I want to run WoW on ultra settings.

I will not overclock EVER.

You may pick one of these statements. Not both.

[Toffie]

You may pick one of these statements. Not both.

Exactly this, not possible without overclocking.

Why are you sure you wont overclock ever? It's not troublesome at all.

[chazus]

Why your build has lower benchmarks and costs the same amount of money?

The 'benchmarks' are not lower, and the cost is the same because he added an SSD and aftermarket cooler for free, effectively.

I said I don't plan to overclock ever and no one can convince me.

Then you don't get WoW on Ultra. Period.

I don't want SSD yet.

Why? At that price point, theres no reason not to get one. It's negligent not tp.

I want to buy 120hz monitor to feel everything smooth.

I dont think you understand how 120hz monitors work. It will not make things smooth for wow.

Will my little modified build run WoW on ~120 fps with shadows turned off?

No. Flat out no. Not even close.

[kubasniak]

What about other games like LoL, CoD, BF3?
As I know If your game runs 120 fps then 120hz monitor will show these.
I don't want to make this topic like 60hz vs 120hz war... I see the difference for example in Khunas movie.

[chazus]

What about ultra settings with disabled shadows? Shouldn't it run very smooth more than 60 fps, even ~120 fps?

Nope.

What about other games like LoL, CoD, BF3?

Maybe! With that setup it's more likely.

To be clear, WoW is CPU dependant. Other games, especially FPS games, are not. Your emphasis was on WoW, so we were focusing on that.

[Toffie]

What about ultra settings with disabled shadows? Shouldn't it run very smooth more than 60 fps, even ~120 fps?
What about other games like LoL, CoD, BF3?

Running ultra without shadows? You wont even hold 60 fps If you don't overclock at high settings.

My build below holds 90-120 fps in BF3, my setup is also miles ahead of yours without any overclocking on your setup.

[kubasniak]

Toffie... I had PC AMD Athlon 5600+ dual core 2.8ghz and old ATI Radeon 4670HD and WoW could run on low settings 60 fps no problems, I tried on high and it was like 5-30. This PC is for 1300$, good processor and good graphic card, I heard it can handle more monitors than one, why it wouldn't hold 60 fps on high settings? It sounds bullshit for me bro, no offense.

my setup is also miles ahead of yours.

Can I see your build please?

Your emphasis was on WoW

and it's still

Overclocking, I don't know, I don't wanna break my PC, I have no idea how to do it, I have no money to play with overclocking.

[Toffie]

WoW utilize your CPU much more in raids and your 670 wont keep up with a 25 man raid where everyone is doing something every tiny sec to stress your CPU. You CPU will hit low fps every now and then in raids, you CPU needs to be clocked faster to load spells/textures at a faster rate.

My build is in my signature, running very high overclocks on both my GPU & CPU.

[chazus]

You have $1500. That's a crapton more than most people spend. You definitely have money to play with overclocking. The funny thing is, my $1000 computer would currently kick the crap out of your current setup in wow :P I have a 3570K and a geforce 660.

[kubasniak]

1200$ is PC, another 328$ is monitor. Can you tell me why your setup would kick the crap out of my current setup?

[chazus]

1200$ is PC, another 328$ is monitor. Can you tell me why your setup would kick the crap out of my current setup?

Because the overclocking, again. At least in WoW.

[Deleted]

overclocking is almost risk free if done properly. aka good cooling and not insane voltages/other impossible settings like a 125 BLCK.
best thing to compare overclocking with is like tuning your car in order to make it go faster.
also wow is just an old engine that still relies too heavily on the first 2 cores mostly and scales really well with higher clocks. (yes wow can use multiple cores but majority of the processes are still on the first 2 cores.)

[Deleted]

WoW utilize your CPU much more in raids and your 670 wont keep up with a 25 man raid where everyone is doing something every tiny sec to stress your CPU. You CPU will hit low fps every now and then in raids, you CPU needs to be clocked faster to load spells/textures at a faster rate.

My build is in my signature, running very high overclocks on both my GPU & CPU.

I have a GTX 670, no overclocks and it runs WoW on Ultra with every setting maxed (incl. shadows) at 1920x1200

The GPU usage doesn't even go above 40% even in 25-man raids, getting smooth 60 FPS on Lei Shen at all times.

You don't need to overclock at all if you don't want to.

[chazus]

I have a GTX 670, no overclocks and it runs WoW on Ultra with every setting maxed (incl. shadows) at 1920x1200
The GPU usage doesn't even go above 40% even in 25-man raids, getting smooth 60 FPS on Lei Shen at all times.
You don't need to overclock at all if you don't want to.

I find this highly unlikely. What CPU do you have? I trust professionals and experts who have done tons of testing, over one guy with one post. I imagine some tidbit of information is being left out.

[vesseblah]

I have a GTX 670, no overclocks and it runs WoW on Ultra with every setting maxed (incl. shadows) at 1920x1200

even in 25-man raids, getting smooth 60 FPS on Lei Shen at all times.

Prove it. Just post a video with some overlay fps counter showing like fraps for example (don't need to have it recording), not the ingame counter. Including video settings visible.

Nobody has yet succeeded after making that claim. Will you be the first, or will this be your first and last post?

[Toffie]

I have a GTX 670, no overclocks and it runs WoW on Ultra with every setting maxed (incl. shadows) at 1920x1200

The GPU usage doesn't even go above 40% even in 25-man raids, getting smooth 60 FPS on Lei Shen at all times.

You don't need to overclock at all if you don't want to.

No, false and no.