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  1. #181
    Hello guys, need a fast answer. We have some nice discussion about trinket's strength and we kinda dont know whats better: heroic cleave trinket or heroic feather of ji-kun for unholy for SINGLE_TARGET_FIGHT (thok the blodthirsty heroic). Our dk claims that cleave trinket is better according to simcraft but I kinda can't believe that this is true. Any experienced dk can tell me the correct answer to that hard question?

  2. #182
    HTF feather is about 2k better than HWF cleave trinket.
    http://www.destinysoftworks.com/2013...-about-54.html has complete dk trinket rankings.
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  3. #183
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    Hey Mend. Could you please sim how many mobs it takes to make the cleave trinket better than the CDR one if that even happens at all? I would be most interested in HC WF levels and assume that the AMP one stays BiS in the second slot no matter what.

    I think it would also be interesting for a lot of people to know how much dps we'd lose if we went full HC WF offset or 2pc set + rest HC WF offset.

    PS: at least I only care about DW
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  4. #184
    Cleave should beat equivalent ilevel CD trinket as soon as you get 2 targets.
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  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Mendenbarr View Post
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    Thank you for the help

    Time to spend way too much time simming stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendenbarr View Post
    Cleave should beat equivalent ilevel CD trinket as soon as you get 2 targets.
    2 targets up for how much of the fight? I'll be replacing 543 primo rage w/ HCleave if it's even a short amount of time. (E.G Sha of pride adds are only up for a short time, etc.)

  7. #187
    2 targets for 100% of the time, which *should* be the same as 3 targets up for 50% of the time, or N + 1 targets up for (100/N)% of the time.
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  8. #188
    Should i always save 20 RP? or is there like a special condition to acctually keep hitting FS since i get blood charges from it?

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Rambojantan View Post
    Should i always save 20 RP? or is there like a special condition to acctually keep hitting FS since i get blood charges from it?
    Always bank 20-39 runic, unless KM procs.
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  10. #190
    Sorry if was answered before: Do the STR trinkets from SoO work for blood (except the recovery CD one) or not, or do they have some reduced Procs like the STR Metagem.

    Sidequestion: what is more DPS For Blood, STR Metagem or legendary DPS Metagem?
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    I use Thok's for Blood occasionally, it works and it increases my stats. Not sure if the Stre procc is the same chance, but it doesn't say it isn't so.

  12. #192
    All of the trinkets should work for blood, other than the CD reduction trinket.
    Legendary meta gem should give more DPS for blood than the STR meta.
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  13. #193
    I play 2H frost http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...m%C3%A1/simple (wanted to go DW but the loot gods gave me HW Greatsword). All the guides suggest i go Crit>Mastery>haste as a stat priority when using Plague Leach. However I found my best Sim to be with a reforge that prioritized Crit>Haste~10750>Mastery>Haste more then 10750. I am curious if this is because you get more out of your 2 set when haste is the higher stat(haste causing more KMs thus causing more Death shroud procs). Or simply because of my 580 getting more white hits from the extra haste.

  14. #194
    The guides often fail to explain that a lot of their stat priorities only apply to specific gear levels, and that the presence or lack of a good weapon, tier bonuses, and trinkets can change them.

    If haste sims better than mastery for you then go with that. Just make sure that you're simming with an appropriate amount of ams soaking, and that you aren't underestimating your movement time when appropriate.

  15. #195
    I've found that, for 2H frost, it all depends on your T1 talent. I'd wager you're using unholy blight, right? Try swapping over to PL for a significant DPS increase, and to see what it does to haste's value.
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  16. #196
    Actually I am using PL for the extra runes not unholy blight. I was curious to see what other high end 2H frost dks are doing with there reforges and it just so happens that the #1 simdps DK in the West on wowprogress uses my same stat priority Crit>Haste~10750>Mastery>Haste more then 10750 and is a 2H Frost(also he is using Unholy Blight??now im confused). http://www.wowprogress.com/simdps/class.deathknight .
    Last edited by ultimaa; 2013-10-24 at 10:07 PM.

  17. #197
    Where do the simdps numbers even come from?

    I wouldn't put too much trust in them.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    Where do the simdps numbers even come from?

    I wouldn't put too much trust in them.
    from the webpage:
    DPS Rankings (Beta) based on SimulationCraft project. See details.
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  19. #199
    Could be worse then.

  20. #200
    Hrm.
    Without doing a full stat analysis I can't see the full picture, but I did glean a bit of new information. For one, haste sucks for you right now. It's worth less than mastery, but not by much. In the NEXT 1000 haste, there is a breakpoint that seems to be worth a full 2k dps, when your 2-set swaps from mastery to haste. This seems to be very, very good. Also tried a few very low haste high crit scenarios, and swapping over the majority of your haste to mastery. Highest config I came up with was haste to 3001 or more higher than mastery, and then as much crit as possible. Haste isn't crap when you have 2k haste, even with PL, it seems to be the best stat at higher ilevels, but drops very VERY quickly to become the weakest stat, jumps up again at the breakpoint, and goes back to being crap. Because the mastery raid buff effects rating, and the haste buff does not effect rating, you need your haste to be 3001 or higher to force the 2-set to proc haste instead of mastery, which despite my initial impressions seems to be a good thing.
    Haste drops off for most people at around 2-3k rating, but for you at 571 ilevel, it seems to get weak at about 6-7k.
    This is roughly what your haste value graph looks like.


    Edit, with mastery, crit, and str, as usual, being straight lines parallel to the X axis. Man, screw haste.
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