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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by DkWarrior View Post
    This means that there is no hope for us in WoD ? https://twitter.com/Celestalon/statu...98921180164096
    I wouldn't say no hope, just the fact that they refuse to answer anything about the class currently is a bit disturbing. That tweet is old and there are others and they still are barely responding.

    If they make this weak trend again in WoD with DK's as they did in MoP I probably won't continue to play. I don't want to be the top, but I also don't want to be on the bottom either. I do fine in my raid but knowing that a lot of players in my raid are under-performing is why. They need to seriously fix this class and actually listen to people like mend, vereesa, and other top dks this time in beta which they didn't do in the MoP beta. All these problems we face we at some point brought up during beta and they still let us go live in MoP the way we did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DkWarrior View Post
    This means that there is no hope for us in WoD ? https://twitter.com/Celestalon/statu...98921180164096
    Hopefully not, but it means that Celest is equally unfamiliar with how classes work.

    I'm not planning on maining my DK in WoD at this juncture anyway.

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    At this rate I won't be playing my dk past the first tier of next expansion, I love the class but enough is enough.

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    I just don't understand what he said. If warrior , rogues and other melee's can shine then dk's why. It does not make sense.
    Ok bye dk and hello warrior and rogue for wod.
    im not interested in to be top dps, but i want to be at least in the middle of the pack, not one of the last runners, or if i need to be the last then 1-2% difference would be ok in the class dps , but come on Lock's do 20% better than every other class. it's a joke.

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    It still has to be razorice on MH and Fallen on OH. Why? Yes as a frosty dk most of the dks make the same mistake; starts the fight with HB...pretty bad! Why because razorice give frost weapon dmg so you shoud start up your rotation with PS to get the debuff on target and do higher frost dmg!

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    first: what?
    second: ps hits with offhand too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    At this rate I won't be playing my dk past the first tier of next expansion, I love the class but enough is enough.
    I quit nearly 2 months ago now. Stupid as it might be I was just spending my raiding time being frustrated at my "performance" vs others in my raid.
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  8. #228
    What's are the statt priorities for Unholy pve ? I read lot's of about this, I saw crit>mastery>haste and nearly every kind of combinations, someone said that there is no prio just choose one and build around that statt. I checked my 2 handed frost build(which is crit>mastery>haste) in ask mr robot( doesn't my best idea ) and it's want to change the gemming but don't know why , if the statt prio are similar(if similar) . I could use some advice
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  9. #229
    crit > mastery > haste for unholy in bis
    crit and mastery are quite close (5.21 vs 4.99 at bis) so depending on your gear, mastery might be stronger. Some people like to do mastery > crit for stronger gargoyle.
    Really you can go either way and not see a huge dps difference. .22*320 = 70 dps per yellow gem which rng and better play is a much bigger factor

  10. #230
    Thank you
    I'm tried a mastery build, similar to what I used for DW , and I was amazed when saw that there isn't that big difference between crit-mastery and mastery-crit.
    I'm just thinking because I'm far from BIS, maybe it will worth another try. Just it's really hard to compare the 2 because I'm not using SIMcrafts, but yeah they are nearly the same in my gear.

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    Never really played around much with unholy just wondering can that pet be used to tank? Can it hold aggro off you or anything? Does that pet make unholy better at soloing than frost?
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    The ghoul is a permanent death pact enabler and a source of a stun and interrupt.

    That's all.

  13. #233
    So my subscription to this thread decided to break 3 weeks ago, and mmoc stopped sending my emails when it got updated. Time to catch up!

    Quote Originally Posted by Coal View Post
    Hi Mendenbarr, I appreciate all of your theorycrafting work and wanted to ask you a question. With the HWF Evil Eye, the cooldown on AotD is reduced to 6.67 minutes, which does make it theoretically possible to use twice on some fights. Assuming the following conditions:

    1. Bloodlust was used on the pull and will not be up again during the fight, so the second AoTD will not benefit from this.
    2. The second AoTD will be able to attack the boss for their full duration
    3. Just to give them the benefit of the doubt, let's say we can line up our second potion and a PoF for them after they are up. No trinket procs though. Let's just give them whatever is under our direct control.
    4. Rather than channeling AoTD, I could have used those 3 runes (let's say 2 Death and 1 Unholy) & GCDs (4 seconds to channel AoTD) to attack the boss myself.

    Is it worth using AotD twice during a fight?
    Yes, army is still very high damage per rune and damage per GCD spent, and I'd still cast it unless the fight had like below 20 seconds left.

    Quote Originally Posted by DkWarrior View Post
    This means that there is no hope for us in WoD ? https://twitter.com/Celestalon/statu...98921180164096
    No hope? Celestalon merely said we have no fights to shine in this tier. If anything this means we might be seeing more fights where we CAN shine in WoD, and DKs are just fine right now, even if we don't shine as bright as a sun.

    Quote Originally Posted by DkWarrior View Post
    What's are the statt priorities for Unholy pve ? I read lot's of about this, I saw crit>mastery>haste and nearly every kind of combinations, someone said that there is no prio just choose one and build around that statt. I checked my 2 handed frost build(which is crit>mastery>haste) in ask mr robot( doesn't my best idea ) and it's want to change the gemming but don't know why , if the statt prio are similar(if similar) . I could use some advice
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Kord/advanced this is my little killing machine. (boot enchant will be changed tomorrow)
    Unholy stat priorities are not so much a min/max thing and more of a balance thing. You want to get all the stat weights as equal as possible, and I go further in depth in the subject at http://www.destinysoftworks.com/2013...ity-in-54.html

    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    Never really played around much with unholy just wondering can that pet be used to tank? Can it hold aggro off you or anything? Does that pet make unholy better at soloing than frost?
    Pet has some niche uses, I used it to tank the reliquary of souls before it got nerfed. He's basically just a run of the mill pet, who can hold aggro on something if you never touch it, and has about half the armor/health that you have. Limited usefulness while soloing.
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    Mendenbarr!

    I will come up with the idea again:
    As for DW, due the haste inflation and the GCD lock, is it not viable to spend the runes on obliterate instead of HB only, maybe with strenght gemming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalamona View Post
    Mendenbarr!

    I will come up with the idea again:
    As for DW, due the haste inflation and the GCD lock, is it not viable to spend the runes on obliterate instead of HB only, maybe with strenght gemming?
    Even taking the double rune cost into account, you're dealing with the fact that HB hits harder than oblit on it's own. While it's true that oblit procs rime, rime also takes up another GCD in our GCD locked rotation. Sims say that dropping oblit is either a downright gain, or a very small loss, and you should pretty much always be mastery gemming. To check your own toon, I have an action list for "mastersimple" at http://www.destinysoftworks.com/2013...mplicated.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendenbarr View Post
    Even taking the double rune cost into account, you're dealing with the fact that HB hits harder than oblit on it's own. While it's true that oblit procs rime, rime also takes up another GCD in our GCD locked rotation. Sims say that dropping oblit is either a downright gain, or a very small loss, and you should pretty much always be mastery gemming. To check your own toon, I have an action list for "mastersimple" at http://www.destinysoftworks.com/2013...mplicated.html
    I've simmed it and I sim lower w/ mastersimple. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or if that is due to my having significantly better weapons than gear when I ran that sim.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkfriend View Post
    I've simmed it and I sim lower w/ mastersimple. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or if that is due to my having significantly better weapons than gear when I ran that sim.
    I've found its only a gain at the higher levels of mastery, you're not doing anything wrong. It's a loss, albeit a small one, at lower mastery/higher weapon ilevels, but the rotation is still simpler and therefore worth considering as an option, even if it isn't a downright gain. You should be using unholy runes on oblit if mastersimple sims lower and you want to play optimally, but you NEVER want to use F/D or D/D on oblit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendenbarr View Post
    I've found its only a gain at the higher levels of mastery, you're not doing anything wrong. It's a loss, albeit a small one, at lower mastery/higher weapon ilevels, but the rotation is still simpler and therefore worth considering as an option, even if it isn't a downright gain. You should be using unholy runes on oblit if mastersimple sims lower and you want to play optimally, but you NEVER want to use F/D or D/D on oblit.
    Well this is around 576 ilvl. I've swap back and forth between the two, and generally prefer master simple.

    But I DO miss 2h super obliterates.

  19. #239
    I read about a balanced gemming/reforging for unholy, but i don't know how it looks like or what i must done(and don't know how it's changes with thok's tail tip). Now my unholy dk is gemmed to crit, i think that's the best for it but AMR says I must regem to mastery. So atm i really confused, with all of these things.

  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by DkWarrior View Post
    I read about a balanced gemming/reforging for unholy, but i don't know how it looks like or what i must done(and don't know how it's changes with thok's tail tip). Now my unholy dk is gemmed to crit, i think that's the best for it but AMR says I must regem to mastery. So atm i really confused, with all of these things.
    There is an AMR forum thread currently discussing whether or not the mastery regemming is the correct suggestion at http://forums.askmrrobot.com/index.php?topic=8142.0

    You can also find my post on how to balance stat weights at http://www.destinysoftworks.com/2013...ity-in-54.html
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