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  1. #241
    A question. Do diseases snapshot only buffs on yourself or also on the target? Meaning if the boss takes more damage for a while, you your dots increase in damage automatically or do you need to apply them again to get benefit from it? And if you apply diseases when boss takes more damage, does it stay when the boss no longer doesnt?

  2. #242
    Diseases snapshot your stats, but update dynamically with boss buffs/debuffs.

  3. #243
    QUESTION: Considering I enjoy and am confident with both Frost DW and 2H, which, based on the weapons alone, would be a DPS increase?

    Option A (DW): Heroic Xifeng i574 (mastery & hit) + Normal Siegecrafter Hammer (haste & mastery) i561 (avg i567.5)
    Option B (2H): Greatsword of Pride's Fall (crit and haste) i574

    I know in some posts I've read before it was mentioned that the better weapon is usually more DPS, but at a total gear iLvl average of i566 for either choice and for how close each is and how DW is slightly ahead 2H, I wasn't sure.

    Thank you very much for your time.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by kleintrpt View Post
    QUESTION: Considering I enjoy and am confident with both Frost DW and 2H, which, based on the weapons alone, would be a DPS increase?

    Option A (DW): Heroic Xifeng i574 (mastery & hit) + Normal Siegecrafter Hammer (haste & mastery) i561 (avg i567.5)
    Option B (2H): Greatsword of Pride's Fall (crit and haste) i574

    I know in some posts I've read before it was mentioned that the better weapon is usually more DPS, but at a total gear iLvl average of i566 for either choice and for how close each is and how DW is slightly ahead 2H, I wasn't sure.

    Thank you very much for your time.
    I'd say DW, if for no other reason than the free cleave it provides. However, I am biased a bit because I prefer DW, and they are very close right now.
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  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Mendenbarr View Post
    I'd say DW, if for no other reason than the free cleave it provides. However, I am biased a bit because I prefer DW, and they are very close right now.
    Sounds good thanks for the quick response!

    Last question 1) Any prior experience with Unholy and 2) In your opinion is it worth trying with the new 2H I mentioned above or perhaps should I stick to my current DW setup for SoO? (Atm 5/14H)

    Thanks.

    Edit: I played Unholy throughout nearly all of Cata but have been Frost since the very end. Unfortunately from the amount of players I see utilizing it and from what most say, it has been a bit of a turn off to try up until now for MoP. Would be a good 20+ gems and a reforge I'd imagine.
    Last edited by kleintrpt; 2014-02-12 at 08:43 PM.

  6. #246
    unholy is actually pretty good. You could keep whatever gems you have now since crit is only slightly better than mastery in bis and a balance between mastery and crit is recommended.

    also guess you missed the whole tier of tot where unholy was stronger than frost when using the festerblight rotation

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by bals View Post
    unholy is actually pretty good. You could keep whatever gems you have now since crit is only slightly better than mastery in bis and a balance between mastery and crit is recommended.

    also guess you missed the whole tier of tot where unholy was stronger than frost when using the festerblight rotation
    Haha yea I was off of WoW from between the end of Cata to about 2 months before MoP's 5.3 patch release. I releveled a new DK on a server with other friends and up until this patch I haven't ran heroic raids (only LFR ToT, normal straight through once in 5.4; 5/14H 14/14N SoO atm).

    Having not tried Unholy this xpac period, I am very tempted to give it a go, even with running a proper simc/stat weight reforge on my personal toon.

    Worse case scenario its mainly 20+ gems that is the gold sinkhole... (x2 if I want to go back FDW). That or try 2H frost since weights are so similar to Unholy.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by kleintrpt View Post
    Haha yea I was off of WoW from between the end of Cata to about 2 months before MoP's 5.3 patch release. I releveled a new DK on a server with other friends and up until this patch I haven't ran heroic raids (only LFR ToT, normal straight through once in 5.4; 5/14H 14/14N SoO atm).

    Having not tried Unholy this xpac period, I am very tempted to give it a go, even with running a proper simc/stat weight reforge on my personal toon.

    Worse case scenario its mainly 20+ gems that is the gold sinkhole... (x2 if I want to go back FDW). That or try 2H frost since weights are so similar to Unholy.
    As it stands, DW is the "Flavor of the Month" spec right now. This is due to DW simming slightly higher (2.5%) for ST with the same ilevel weapons, and DW having very useful innate strengths, or perks, compared to the other specs. To name a few strengths; DW gets the most free cleave, 2H frost is the easiest to play, and unholy gets the highest burst. All specs are VIABLE on every fight, but DW is probably OPTIMAL on most of them, given perfect skill level and ideal gear. Unholy and 2H frost are basically equal for ST, with a slight variation based on your itemization, and between the 2 a slight preference or familiarity for one over the other will tip the balance.
    Play what you want to play. If that's unholy, I'd say the regemming is worth it.
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Mendenbarr View Post
    As it stands, DW is the "Flavor of the Month" spec right now. This is due to DW simming slightly higher (2.5%) for ST with the same ilevel weapons, and DW having very useful innate strengths, or perks, compared to the other specs. To name a few strengths; DW gets the most free cleave, 2H frost is the easiest to play, and unholy gets the highest burst. All specs are VIABLE on every fight, but DW is probably OPTIMAL on most of them, given perfect skill level and ideal gear. Unholy and 2H frost are basically equal for ST, with a slight variation based on your itemization, and between the 2 a slight preference or familiarity for one over the other will tip the balance.
    Play what you want to play. If that's unholy, I'd say the regemming is worth it.
    Thanks once again for all of the insight! I'll shop around a bit with F2H and UH and see how it feels/performs for me. Can always go back =P

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Mendenbarr View Post
    This is due to DW simming slightly higher (2.5%) for ST with the same ilevel weapons, and DW having very useful innate strengths, or perks, compared to the other specs.
    Not to mention the lack of competition for weapons.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    Not to mention the lack of competition for weapons.
    Haha this is ultimately why I'll probably end up staying and closing out MoP with DW. It'll be no time till I get my 2nd Xifeng and, eventually, 2x Warforged. With current team (Druid and DK tank) I have ALL dibs on one-handers.

  12. #252
    About the t16 2set bonus.

    Im DW frost dk. Currently sitting at around 16000 mastery rating and 5000 haste. Setbonus should be giving either mastery or haste whichever is the highest currently.

    Problem is. I was getting it to proc haste every once in a while, which would cause me to keep the hastebonus until i ran dry with killing machine procs, causing rune overflow (couldnt spend runes AND the gained RP before new set of runes was ready). Would this be because of my 543 timeless str trinket which procs me haste (around 11k rating) or is it because my mastery percentage with the proc up was lower than my passively boosted speed(haste) % showing up my character panel.

    So, Does the t16 setbonus check the currently highest from rating or from percentage? If aforementioned, i need to drop my haste values by 1k causing me to get runestarved in some fights. If its the latter, Wouldnt it be retarded with some class/spec masteries like blood (yes i know that the bonus isnt for blood) with mastery % ranging from 50 to 450% compared to sub 100% haste levels)

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Problim View Post
    About the t16 2set bonus.

    Im DW frost dk. Currently sitting at around 16000 mastery rating and 5000 haste. Setbonus should be giving either mastery or haste whichever is the highest currently.

    Problem is. I was getting it to proc haste every once in a while, which would cause me to keep the hastebonus until i ran dry with killing machine procs, causing rune overflow (couldnt spend runes AND the gained RP before new set of runes was ready). Would this be because of my 543 timeless str trinket which procs me haste (around 11k rating) or is it because my mastery percentage with the proc up was lower than my passively boosted speed(haste) % showing up my character panel.

    So, Does the t16 setbonus check the currently highest from rating or from percentage? If aforementioned, i need to drop my haste values by 1k causing me to get runestarved in some fights. If its the latter, Wouldnt it be retarded with some class/spec masteries like blood (yes i know that the bonus isnt for blood) with mastery % ranging from 50 to 450% compared to sub 100% haste levels)
    It's rating based, and iirc, it does not take the 3k mastery raid buff into account. I would advise dropping as much haste as possible as DW with or without the 2-set proc, as with proper AMS/PL usage, you should go rune starved rarely, if ever.
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  14. #254
    Thanks. Havent studied all the possible soakable abilities since it doesnt matter at flex pug:s so i left some haste unreforged for bosses where i could be without ams soak for prolonged times. Gotta check the dungeon journal sometime for those rare bosses.

  15. #255
    this is an ok list of when a good time to ams is: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/topic...e-spreadsheet/
    not sure if any comments add addition information but just looking over it it's missing a few things

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Problim View Post
    So, Does the t16 setbonus check the currently highest from rating or from percentage? If aforementioned, i need to drop my haste values by 1k causing me to get runestarved in some fights. If its the latter, Wouldnt it be retarded with some class/spec masteries like blood (yes i know that the bonus isnt for blood) with mastery % ranging from 50 to 450% compared to sub 100% haste levels)
    I sit with about 1k (maybe more) less haste than you do and don't really find any problems with being rune starved with AMS/PL usage especially as DW with Blood Tap.

    Just a question about PL i'm guessing its better to use BT charges instead of PL if you don't have a free UH rune to reapply Blood Plague? Also I may have imagined it but does it favor the UH rune if you have a death rune in the other UH rune spot?

    As an aside thanks for that spreadsheet I was gonna sit down and figure it out myself tonight but this'll save some time.

  17. #257
    hello all.

    just a silly question.. frost dk 2H, which trinkets should i be looking at?

    1) Thoks 548
    2) EEOG 540 currently, can be upgraded.
    3) Skeers 567

    yes, unfortunately i do not have the luck to get the normal trinkets. P

    Please advise.

    thank you!

  18. #258
    Thoks and Skeers. There's a list of trinket rankings here.

  19. #259
    Yes, abilities always favors non-death runes over death runes, given the choice. As DW, it's pretty much always better to use BT then it is to use PL. PL usage doesn't depend at all on BP time remaining, it's better to PL a 27 seconds BP when you need the runes than try to soak a 3 second BP when you don't need them. BT and PL are filler abilities, and should be used, in that order (BT, and then PL), when you can't cast HB and don't want to cast FS (sub 40 and no KM). Don't worry about reapplying BP, it's uptime is not that important, but still worth doing the next time you have a spare unholy rune and are not about to cap runic, runes, or waste a KM proc.
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  20. #260
    thanks for the reply at Nutella. Will take a look at the list.

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