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  1. #201
    i just bashed everyone in my way at the DMF and blizz in gen chat there. wish i had personal info to scare people to stay out of my way or risk a smack upside the head.

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    Two things: First off, I didn't choose my realm technically. It was the first one in the list when I chose my server, and I think it was even highlighted by default lol. I've stayed through thick and thin because it feels like home, and I haven't really felt a deep burning desire to do something that my server didn't fascilitate to the point where I've elected to depart for greener pastures. I'm content, otherwise I'd be prepared to move servers.

    Secondly, Gnomeregan is far from a high populated realm - consequently its because a rather medium-low populated server, with less raiding then I would consider ideal. That being said, I don't mind sharing our resources with our brothers from higher populated servers, because its nice to have people around. I don't believe I have some God Given right to these resources just because I stay on a non-high populated server, nor do I particularily enjoy having a whole zone all to myself. I have no problem with other players, regardless of where they come from, nor do I mind sharing the game with them. That, imo, is a healthy, selfless, proper attitude to approach a MMO. If you have a less-social attitude towards this, then that's fine, but don't expect Blizzard to cater towards that, as Blizzard, first and formost, wants WoW to be a Social MMO.
    So, what you're saying is that people who want to socialize in less crowded places are wrong and should be in a place where they can't hear their own thoughts, and move a inch per minute? Because those who not "socialize" in such places are selfish.

    And I have to highlight what I said to you? Because you didn't catch at the first time.
    Everyone is free to use MORE THAN ONE WAY to change their mind at ANY TIME, and go to a higher pop or a low pop realm.


    If you "LOL let the game choose" for you, you're still entitled to change the choice using more than one resource, without having to drag an entire population down to your regret. I chose conscientiously and don't like to be forced in what someone THINK is the right way.

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Metallikiddd View Post
    i just bashed everyone in my way at the DMF and blizz in gen chat there. wish i had personal info to scare people to stay out of my way or risk a smack upside the head.
    Your keyboard warrior skillz are impressive indeed.

    On a side note: "Waaah! Why aren't the achievements super easy anymore? Waaah!" "A rare pet? Never! I want to kill it everytime it spawns. Nobody else deserves it but meee!"
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    I may just have to Vlog on this Its funny how so many of these arguments over why CRZ should or should not exist seems a lot like the arguments about whether or not the US and Canada should let people from other parts of the world come into our country. I mean, we were born here, why should other people be allowed to come into our country, eat our food, take our jobs, and enjoy our standard of living along with us? We don't get as good of a life as we used to have if they're allowed in, as they complete for the wealth and resources of "my" country too! And damnit, why should they get my job even though they may be able to do it better with more ambition and a better attitude, or may be more qualified - I was here first! And of course, none of these people are like me, so I can't be friends with them, or socialize with them, get to know them, or ask to do things with them.

    The reality is, changing servers costs money and demands other investments (especially for players who rely on multiple characters to meet their resource needs), just as in real life, its not that easy to change countries. Rolling on a server, continuing to be on a server, nor chooseing a particular server does not give us any more of a God Given right to its resources, any more than the country you happen to be born in gives you some sort of God Given right to your countries resources. It is not an excuse to be any less than you can and need to be to support your own particular playstyle or lifestyle. Life, as is the same in a Social MMO RGP like WoW, is meant to be filled with sharing, getting along with others, and social competition.

    Now that the technology exists, WoW becoming a more social game with fairer and more equal access to the entire game supply of resources is a necessary step in the evolution of the game. One can argue that the CRZ still has a number of bugs, but bugs can be fixed. There is a way to make it work to its best, and Blizzard will find it. CRZ, as a concept though, belongs in WoW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminatrix View Post
    but that makes play time way hardfer then it need to be, farming stuff and do some quest is harder now,
    Awwwwww, really? [place tiny violinist here]! Maybe that's the way Blizzard wants it to be.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Krolikn View Post
    Your keyboard warrior skillz are impressive indeed.

    On a side note: "Waaah! Why aren't the achievements super easy anymore? Waaah!" "A rare pet? Never! I want to kill it everytime it spawns. Nobody else deserves it but meee!"
    and my finger is on the red button that invokes dogma so watch it, all 7 billion of you.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    As I said in the last statement, like it or not, the technology now exists for every player to have fair access to WoW resources, regardless of what realm they originate from.
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    The game is slowly becoming fair and equal to all players, and that's the way it should be.
    Fair? E.g., our AH never had Haunting Spirits available (as raiding itself is in hole on our server). Only things which are in abundance on our AH - Green Tea Leafs and Ghost Iron Ore - everything else you have to farm yourself. You can't really sell anything on AH either unless if you post it shortly before lockout reset, so you just vendor nearly everything you don't need. Some people say it is great to live in "socialism" when everyone is equal, but pigs are more equal than others (Orwell - Animal Farm), but many people would rather not.

    How is it fair to have a good chunk of content being literally removed (rares, same DMF trinket, etc.) for no good reason just so everyone in the crowd would feel fair?

    So how does CRZ help here? If anything it just makes it even more frustrating than "fair".
    Some people may not want to talk, some may reject you, but believe it or not, some people who play an MMO really do want to play with other people and meet new players. You'll never know unless you stop treating people from other servers as some sort of infestation that doesn't belong. You are sounding like such a bigot (forgive me if I spelt that wrong)!
    And... so how it is different from what I wrote? While staying in queue for First Aid quest, would it be nice idea to ask strangers there (who don't really want to talk but follow the motion of crowd - get done with this frustrating queue for NPCs as fast as possible) to become friends? Or there are /1, /2, forums, dungeons, guilds which serve this function much better?
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  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    And I have to highlight what I said to you? Because you didn't catch at the first time.
    Everyone is free to use MORE THAN ONE WAY to change their mind at ANY TIME, and go to a higher pop or a low pop realm.
    ...you seem to have forgotten to insert the fact that there's a $25 fee for ONE character transfer for that "Free choice" of yours... and that excludes friendships and guildmates you have on that server. (Sorry, REAL-ID doesn't cut it with the problems with trading, grouping, zoning and such...)

    The mere idea that you're trying to lump those two ideas together (reroll or transfer) showcases that even you understand fully what the problem is, but you are upset that even you can't defend it properly without subverting and twisting words. :P

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by slime View Post
    As a rare farmer (mobs,pets,mounts) I whole-heartedly agree. I don't know what it is about Blizz, but they seem to just pick whatever my favorite thing to do in WoW at the time and destroy it. In wotlk, god I love raiding, I am so happy to be able to do 10 and 25 man per my own choice a week. In Mop, well I've caught up on all raiding and factions time to get to some of that rare farming I've put aside ... Oh, I have to compete with 100 other servers for 1 TLPD now? sweet. I must really be in the minority of players for the things i like to do in WoW - and there must be a hellava lot of people that like their choices restricted when playing a video game.
    The problem with that is you've been riding on what Blizzard didn't want all along but had nothing to fix it. They don't want low pop realms to have it easy with rares and other "benefits" that scarce players bring. This isn't a "decision" change, it's a "we have a somewhat doable way to now enforce our belief that all players should have the same experience regardless of realm pop" change. Being angry or annoyed at it is like filing a formal complaint to your cable company when you discover they found out about your accidental free channels and fixed them from showing. Yes, low pop realms were nice while they lasted, but the gravy train has now departed, or more accurately has departed on yet another easy station of the game.

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    Well, time for a revolution



    I don't think CRZ is needed anymore. I think it's detrimental to our world in Azeroth..and Outland and where else we go. It needs to be gone if it stays the way it is.


    So sayeth Aeluron who has defended CRZ for a long time. VIVO REVOLUTION
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    Everyone is free to use MORE THAN ONE WAY to change their mind at ANY TIME, and go to a higher pop or a low pop realm.
    Really? Really? Is it really free? I had no idea Blizzard was making it free to change servers! When did they announce this? I hadn't heard? Last I heard it costs additional money besides the subscription fee!

    Blizzards old answer was - "some realms may be over or underpopulated, and this may suck for resources, but we can charge you for a server transfer so you can go elsewhere".

    Blizzards new answer is "We'll adopt a new system to make resources more equal to players from all types of servers, so that unless your a raider looking for a particular raiding team, you don't need to transfer servers"

    Making the game fairer rather than charging players money seems like a better solution to me.

  11. #211
    The guys from blizzard are so stupid... ffs merge servers already ...

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    Now that the technology exists, WoW becoming a more social game with fairer and more equal access to the entire game supply of resources is a necessary step in the evolution of the game. One can argue that the CRZ still has a number of bugs, but bugs can be fixed. There is a way to make it work to its best, and Blizzard will find it. CRZ, as a concept though, belongs in WoW![COLOR="red"]
    Social? I feel like I'm under a communist dictator that demand me to live with with "my equals" because it's the way things are. I have no choice. I cn not meet the same old people again and again and "KevinBacon" that other guy that is pursuing Aeonaxx and Time-Lost. The other people is not even from my world, so he will never be a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend. I can't interact with them, except when they are competing for resources with me. Be them Quest Objectives, Battle Pets, or whatever.

    It even work in the first territories, Elwynn and Mulgore still have a dynamic that allow people to group up and speed the process, but was we get close to the Dark Portal, mechanics make more people a nuisance. By the time I reach Cataclysm zones I already leave to come back later If I meet more than 4 people in my quest areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocity View Post
    Fair? E.g., our AH never had Haunting Spirits available (as raiding itself is in hole on our server). Only things which are in abundance on our AH - Green Tea Leafs and Ghost Iron Ore - everything else you have to farm yourself. You can't really sell anything on AH either unless if you post it shortly before lockout reset, so you just vendor nearly everything you don't need. Some people say it is great to live in "socialism" when everyone is equal, but pigs are more equal than others (Orwell - Animal Farm), but many people would rather not.

    How is it fair to have a good chunk of content being literally removed (rares, same DMF trinket, etc.) for no good reason just so everyone in the crowd would feel fair?

    So how does CRZ help here? If anything it just makes it even more frustrating than "fair".

    And... so how it is different from what I wrote? While staying in queue for First Aid quest, would it be nice idea to ask strangers there (who don't really want to talk but follow the motion of crowd - get done with this frustrating queue for NPCs as fast as possible) to become friends? Or there are /1, /2, forums, dungeons, guilds which serve this function much better?
    You're AH is no different than any other AH's, regardless of what type of server its on. That's the point, fair and equal for everybody.

    Animal House was a story trying to prove a point. The animals who rejected living with pigs are being pointed out as "Bigots". It was not created to praise such people, but to damn them. By drawing on that example, you're supporting my "case-in-point".

    Blizzard has in no way removed those things you claim they have removed. They simply game you more competition to get them - you need to be a better player, to be the best you can be if you want to have the spoils. They are not meant to be easy grabs, they are meant to be rewards for those who outlast their competition. If you keep working for those things, you will still get them. Before you would only get them by default, because there was no one else on your server who wanted them. You would bare such trinkets as an Ass would bare gold. Is that what really bugs you about it? Are you such an Ass???

    As for waiting your turn, whether or not you choose to talk to people is up to you. The reality is that there are 8 million players who could potentially be wanted what you want, so you have to wait your turn. Do we need another tiny fiddle player? You could talk to them if you wanted to. Myself, I would probably just wait my turn, knowing that they have as much right to the quest as I do.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    You're AH is no different than any other AH's, regardless of what type of server its on. That's the point, fair and equal for everybody.

    Animal House was a story trying to prove a point. The animals who rejected living with pigs are being pointed out as "Bigots". It was not created to praise such people, but to damn them. By drawing on that example, you're supporting my "case-in-point".

    Blizzard has in no way removed those things you claim they have removed. They simply game you more competition to get them - you need to be a better player, to be the best you can be if you want to have the spoils. They are not meant to be easy grabs, they are meant to be rewards for those who outlast their competition. If you keep working for those things, you will still get them. Before you would only get them by default, because there was no one else on your server who wanted them. You would bare such trinkets as an Ass would bare gold. Is that what really bugs you about it? Are you such an Ass???

    As for waiting your turn, whether or not you choose to talk to people is up to you. The reality is that there are 8 million players who could potentially be wanted what you want, so you have to wait your turn. Do we need another tiny fiddle player? You could talk to them if you wanted to. Myself, I would probably just wait my turn, knowing that they have as much right to the quest as I do.
    Animal Farm is what you meant.

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    I like this, nothing sucked more than going to do the DMF mini games and seeing the place deserted aside from 1 or 2 peeps doing profession dailies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    Social? I feel like I'm under a communist dictator that demand me to live with with "my equals" because it's the way things are. I have no choice. I cn not meet the same old people again and again and "KevinBacon" that other guy that is pursuing Aeonaxx and Time-Lost. The other people is not even from my world, so he will never be a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend. I can't interact with them, except when they are competing for resources with me. Be them Quest Objectives, Battle Pets, or whatever.
    Still sounding like a Bigot! Not helping yourself. You could meet and Battletag them if you wanted to. You need to start using words such as "I choose not to interact with them" or "I see no point in interacting with them". Everytime you say you "can't" you are making a false statement. They are real people and are other players - you can if you choose. In this day and age, its easier than ever to make friends from other servers - you don't even have to give them your real name anymore. Stop being a bigot, stop feeling sorry for yourself, and accept the fact that this game may be outgrowing you're concept of gaming, or just grow as a social MMO gamer. MMO's of the future will likely not have a true concept of "server", and well they probably shouldn't, because such concepts create such gamers with such bad anti-social attitudes as yourself!

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Calthric View Post
    It's hard for me to see the CRZ feature as anything other than an awkward attempt to fix the larger problems surrounding realm and faction population balances. The cynical side of me believes this is due to how much money is made through the overpriced realm and faction transfers. A dead realm is a dead realm regardless of CRZ and a populated realm is all the more frustrating when you have to contend with players from other realms in addition to those on your home realm.
    This is almost completely wrong. CRZ fixes the problem that on almost every server, 95% of players are above level 85 and any zones sub-85 has nobody in it. Even back in WOTLK, when we ´still´ had 12m players, this was an issue for new players. It totally sucks to start an MMO and spend the first 2 months questing through zones and never seeing another person. It has NOTHING to do with overall population servers, because even the most populated servers have the issue.

    I am not a huge fan of CRZ, but anyone who has ever tried playing a different MMO a few months after it launched knows exactly the problem CRZ is trying to fix..

  18. #218
    Everyone, including blizzard, seems to forget the main issue with rare spawns and CRZ. Even on high pop realms there were dead times during certain parts of the day and CRZ directly counters these dead times by throwing more people into the merged zones as soon as these dead times would normally occur.

    This fact alone counters blizzard's "not at intended rarity" argument since "rarity" changed even back in vanilla based on dead times.

    Also, people mentioned how the game has to evolve; This requires blizzard to evolve their loot system in kind in order for it to work or it becomes a preverbial meteor vs WoW the dinosaur. If they want to increase the social aspect of the game without creating too much negativity from too much competition more loot needs to drop from rare spawns based on how many players are grouped to kill them. Maybe 1 extra drop per 3-5 people would encourage people to group up for rares and not kill steal. The shared tag system from ToT was a step in the right direction, but it needs to be expanded upon.

    Also, the removal of the valor system mentioned has me quite wary since we have way too much RNG in the game as it is and they're talking about removing the only reliable gearing method for PvE and replacing it with what, more RNG methods?

    Yo dawg I heard you like RNG, so here's some RNG with your RNG, so you can roll while you roll, cuz that's how blizzard rolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirits330 View Post
    Animal Farm is what you meant.
    Yes, correct, thanks spirit330

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puri View Post
    How can you know that? It is an assumption out of thin air. I can as well claim most people would prefer a empty world. I would, for example.
    WoW is a mmo. Massive multiplayer online game. If it was supposed to be a singleplayer game, it wouldn't have 'multiplayer' in the the title. I suggest you play a singleplayer game, such as tetris or mario.

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