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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocity View Post
    I sit on millions of gold from good times, which I can't really use. I wanted to give my alts some "luxury" of 522 raid crafts, but I can't. Think I don't have to farm any consumables for our barely working raids as I have millions of gold to buy them from AH? No, I have to farm them myself as there is nothing on AH.

    I'd rather live in totally unfair world if you define what I described as "fair".
    I get it! The rich shouldn't have to work for anything because they're rich, eh? I think you'll all agree and sympathize with him eh? [Tiny fiddler anyone]. Hey, you could always pay a ridiculously large amount of gold to us poor players to go out and farm matts for you? I'm sure you'd find someone who would love the gold, if you want to be lazy. I see players on my servers asking for ridiculously large amounts of gold to buy vanity items such as mounts all the time. Why not offer them a bunch of gold to farm for you if you got the goods! Share the wealth, rich man LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    DOESN'T MATTER. There is still a bunch of resources on the high pop AH, just spread between different gatherers, CRZ or not.

    Meanwhile in the low pop, now there is even LESS, because beside the lack of gatherers to auction them, now there is too a lack OF NODES to be gathered, thanks to the unfair competition.

    NO ONE CAN BEAT MATH, and math is saying that Low pop is shafted by CRZ.
    What are you talking about? Blizzard has said, there is the same amount of nodes and potential nodes in the same zone on every server, and the respawn rate scales with how fast they are consumed. There is the same amount of access to nodes on a high population server as on a low population server, its just that players on low pop servers are sad because they were used to being handed them. Its equal opportunity - there is just as many nodes available no matter what server you're on, because CRZ ensures that roughly the same number of players are in the same zone on every active server. Its exactly the same experience for players on both realms, only difference is low pop players don't like it!

    Now as to the notion that the crz players are stealing your resources, this is reality only because not enough people on your realm choose to gather the resources. Lets say your server had 1000 players, and a high pop one had 10000 players. If just 30 of your realms players chose to gather resources in the same zone, there would be no CRZ for that zone on your server. The reason you have so much competition from other realms is because not enough players on your realm are motivated enough to go after your own resources. The laziness of players on your realm should not be an excuse to horde resoures from players on other realms who would love to be gathering resources, but are experiencing ridiculous competition from players from their own realm (regardless of whether or not this helps the realms economy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    I get it! The rich shouldn't have to work for anything because they're rich, eh? I think you'll all agree and sympathize with him eh? [Tiny fiddler anyone]. Hey, you could always pay a ridiculously large amount of gold to us poor players to go out and farm matts for you? I'm sure you'd find someone who would love the gold, if you want to be lazy. I see players on my servers asking for ridiculously large amounts of gold to buy vanity items such as mounts all the time. Why not offer them a bunch of gold to farm for you if you got the goods! Share the wealth, rich man LOL!

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    What are you talking about? Blizzard has said, there is the same amount of nodes and potential nodes in the same zone on every server, and the respawn rate scales with how fast they are consumed. There is the same amount of access to nodes on a high population server as on a low population server, its just that players on low pop servers are sad because they were used to being handed them. Its equal opportunity - there is just as many nodes available no matter what server you're on, because CRZ ensures that roughly the same number of players are in the same zone on every active server. Its exactly the same experience for players on both realms, only difference is low pop players don't like it!
    he earned his gold in the "good times" i can see his point of just wanting to buy gear i had the same thoughts before i spent all my gold on a piece of gear only to have it drop the next raid
    You're a fine example of how gamer communities have become infested with endlessly whining and bitching, arrogant, opinionated, unreasonable, all the way immature, completely delusional, tendentially psychotic, insulting individuals one really doesn't want to be linked with. And playing with you guys is certainly no fun at all. I don't know where this kind of folks spawns from. Must be a nest somewhere ...
    A fine summarization of the community

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    I find it too busy.. people lining up for the Bandaid quest.
    Nethertheless, our opinions don't matter here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tierbook View Post
    he earned his gold in the "good times" i can see his point of just wanting to buy gear i had the same thoughts before i spent all my gold on a piece of gear only to have it drop the next raid
    Reality is though, that his definition of Good Time was only a "Good Time" for players on low pop servers. They should not have been "Good Times" except for the fact that the technology for CRZ was not available at that time. There are many ways to work hard and make lots of money in WoW - the wealth of players should not be unfairly "padded" by the fact that they are on a server where resources are handed to the player by default.

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    Honestly, I hate CRZ, and the most zones that can stay out of it the better. Most unfortunate that DMF is CRZ now, but I don't even go there too much anymore, so whatever.

    I hope Pandaria only becomes CRZ in the next expansion, and every new zone that comes in all next expansions stay out of CRZ for the entire duration of said expansion. I mean, I REALLY hope this happens.

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    I recently had to step back from raiding. CRZ is why I quit entirely instead of just becoming a casual.

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    "Meanwhile in the low pop, now there is even LESS, because beside the lack of gatherers to auction them, now there is too a lack OF NODES to be gathered, thanks to the unfair competition"

    BTW Buu, I need to ask. Why is the competition "Unfair?" Last time I checked, CRZ was not anything that a player could use to "cheat" you. It simply gave players access to resources that not enough people on your server were willing or able to gather themselves. As I said, if even 30 players from your realm were gathering resources in the same zone on your server, there would be no CRZ for your server. In fact, a few of you might be harvesting resources from some other server where the players were too lazy to do the same.

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    As someone who has many characters spread over many servers (and thus in different crz groups) I can say anyone who thinks it's a good change isn't in a grouping where you felt like a sardine stuffed into a tin upon visiting the faire today. My main realm, which has a healthy realm pop, is grouped with another realm, which also has a healthy realm pop. It was awful. People were cursing out others for doing the FA daily. I watched a darkmoon flower spawn and ten people swarmed it.

    However, I hopped to my low pop realm, went to the dmf there, and yes there were people, but it was about the same as my main realm BEFORE crz hit the zone. I had been to the faire previously on the low pop realm, and there was no one there.

    So obviously there are some imbalances in the way they determine CRZ, which despite what they claim, is only by battlegroup/server location. It has no actual relation to the actual realm populations. I find it discouraging that my main realm is grouped with another popular server, but many are not. I would love CRZ too if it worked like it did on my low pop realms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herrenos View Post
    I recently had to step back from raiding. CRZ is why I quit entirely instead of just becoming a casual.
    Wow, you're really gonna hate MMO's of the future then, when the idea of "realm" is a thing of the past. In future MMO's, your "realm" will simply be a tag attached to you to distinguish you from another player with the same name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    I see players on my servers asking for ridiculously large amounts of gold to buy vanity items such as mounts all the time. Why not offer them a bunch of gold to farm for you if you got the goods! Share the wealth, rich man LOL!
    I don't think you quite understand the problem. Gold is irrelevant. Why someone would agree to farm something for you, when he also must farm for himself? Why someone would agree to farm something for you for gold if he can't really use it to buy anything?

    And how would I ask players to farm me Haunting Spirits?
    There is the same amount of access to nodes on a high population server as on a low population server, its just that players on low pop servers are sad because they were used to being handed them. Its equal opportunity - there is just as many nodes available no matter what server you're on
    How is it equal, if low pop server no longer has low pop advantages and same time has no high pop advantages - e.g., when you can buy resources from AH if you can't stand competition while farming resources (which shouldn't be a subject to competition anyway, this game aspect was flawed from very start, but CRZ made it 100 times worse). Thankfully MoP zones aren't CRZ'd, but you have to farm all goods by yourself. And getting any sub-MoP resource (especially ore in 60-85 zones - it is like doesn't exist at all) is like exercise in frustration.

    And I don't care what blue post said, as I actually see that it doesn't really work like that in reality.

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    "As someone who has many characters spread over many servers (and thus in different crz groups) I can say anyone who thinks it's a good change isn't in a grouping where you felt like a sardine stuffed into a tin upon visiting the faire today. My main realm, which has a healthy realm pop, is grouped with another realm, which also has a healthy realm pop. It was awful. People were cursing out others for doing the FA daily. I watched a darkmoon flower spawn and ten people swarmed it.

    However, I hopped to my low pop realm, went to the dmf there, and yes there were people, but it was about the same as my main realm BEFORE crz hit the zone. I had been to the faire previously on the low pop realm, and there was no one there.

    So obviously there are some imbalances in the way they determine CRZ, which despite what they claim, is only by battlegroup/server location. It has no actual relation to the actual realm populations. I find it discouraging that my main realm is grouped with another popular server, but many are not. I would love CRZ too if it worked like it did on my low pop realms."

    It sounds like it needs tweaking. They'll fix it. There needs to be more active realms with less player's per zone. Its just a variable that's off. Give them time and a chance to review the issue rather than damning the concept that allows it to occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaen View Post
    As someone who has many characters spread over many servers (and thus in different crz groups) I can say anyone who thinks it's a good change isn't in a grouping where you felt like a sardine stuffed into a tin upon visiting the faire today. My main realm, which has a healthy realm pop, is grouped with another realm, which also has a healthy realm pop. It was awful. People were cursing out others for doing the FA daily. I watched a darkmoon flower spawn and ten people swarmed it.

    However, I hopped to my low pop realm, went to the dmf there, and yes there were people, but it was about the same as my main realm BEFORE crz hit the zone. I had been to the faire previously on the low pop realm, and there was no one there.

    So obviously there are some imbalances in the way they determine CRZ, which despite what they claim, is only by battlegroup/server location. It has no actual relation to the actual realm populations. I find it discouraging that my main realm is grouped with another popular server, but many are not. I would love CRZ too if it worked like it did on my low pop realms.
    It sounds like it needs tweaking. They'll fix it. There needs to be more active realms with less player's per zone. Its just a variable that's off. Give them time and a chance to review the issue rather than damning the concept that allows it to occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    Reality is though, that his definition of Good Time was only a "Good Time" for players on low pop servers. They should not have been "Good Times" except for the fact that the technology for CRZ was not available at that time.
    "Good Times" - times when our server was not low pop (wasn't high pop either). When AH was really functioning and people were actually active. You can't really make any serious amount of gold on low pop server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocity View Post
    I don't think you quite understand the problem. Gold is irrelevant. Why someone would agree to farm something for you, when he also must farm for himself? Why someone would agree to farm something for you for gold if he can't really use it to buy anything?

    And how would I ask players to farm me Haunting Spirits?
    How would you ask? If you farm me Haunting Spirits, I'll pay you a ridiculously crazy amount of gold so you can buy your Ashes of Al'ar on the BMAH, or your Vial of the Sands, etc. There will always be player's who would rather be given gold to buy pure vanity items than go through the hard route of farming their own. Well, if they want the money, and would rather not farm their own, they can farm for you. You just may need to overpay them. Getting what you want doesn't always, nor should it come cheap.

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    I understand the aggravation over the bugs, but the fact that people are raging this much over the world feeling like a populated MMORPG is mind-boggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocity View Post
    "Good Times" - times when our server was not low pop (wasn't high pop either). When AH was really functioning and people were actually active. You can't really make any serious amount of gold on low pop server.
    You must be crazy to say that - you just said that there's no resources on your ah in your realm. Sounds to me like there's a huuuuuuuge business opportunity! Farm the matts, and you will make a killing. If there's no competition on the ah, and rich people are compaing about not being able to buy the things they want - ding dong!!!! You can charge ridiculous amounts of gold for everything you get. You may have to work hard, just like if you were on a high population server, but resources spawn 24 - 7. Player's are just getting lazy because they can't stand a little competition. You have tons of gold, you have an excuse. What's the excuse of all the others on your server??? Low pop does not equal no pop.

    The reality is that players on low pop realms have been groomed to be lazy, and expect easy resources, and they're unable to adjust to competition. Player's on high pop realms don't care either way, because they are used to always having to compete. People just need to adjust to change and progress.

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    Any players on Low Pop realms who are complaining that there's no Matts on their ah shouldn't be reading this - you're wasting a huge opportunity to make a killing during these "Good Times" which, due to CRZ, are never going away! Stop reading this and get out and farm those matts to sell on the AH. You may face tougher competition, and may not get your resources as fast as you might like, but you will get some, and what you get, you can sell for a ridiculously large amount of gold on the AH.

    The advantage of high pop realms, outside of raiding? Lots of matts on the AH perhaps. Also, due to extremely tough competition, there are so many matts on the AH, that they are sold at a ridiculously low price. However, one can't forget that the items that you yourself sell give you a lot less gold per sale then you would get if you sold them on a low pop realm, so you also make gold to buy these cheaper mats much more slowly. Low population realms offer Quality sales/purchases where's high population servers offer High Quantity/Low Quality sales. Either way, unless you acquire money from sources other than the ah regularily, it evens out in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    How would you ask? If you farm me Haunting Spirits, I'll pay you a ridiculously crazy amount of gold so you can buy your Ashes of Al'ar on the BMAH, or your Vial of the Sands, etc.
    Let me explain you the situation. Haunting Spirits are getting from de'd T15 drops. Low pop realms means low raid participation. And even if someone would farm you Haunting Spirits neglecting his guild needs (as they can't be really farmed solo) - what would he use that "crazy amounts of gold" for? Why would he need anything from BMAH when he can buy it himself (as prices are usually lower and those rare Haunting Spirits don't worth the trouble of ignoring your guildmates)?

    And it isn't like BMAH has exactly what he need as it's assortment is random and doesn't have much positions at 1 time. And Vial of the Sands is far more accessible than Haunting Spirit as you can just make alchemist alt or have alchemist friend and make it yourself, meanwhile Haunting Spirit is something you can't really produce no matter how much gold you have.

    It's vicious circle, which you won't be able to understand unless you play on low pop realm (with all the CRZ "benefits").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuhnai182 View Post
    Wow you guys really are just looking for stuff to complain about...

    DMF was a ghost town, this is a great change. I play an MMO to see everybody, not the odd 1 or 2. You lot really are very grumpy.
    Then go to a high pop server. Problem solved.

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    Outside of organized raid opportunities, there is no real advantage or disadvantages to Low or High pop servers worth noting, and there should never really be. How to make low pop servers better for raiding, however, now that's a bigger problem. The answer to that is, if you're server does not offer sufficient raid opportunities to support your interests, you probably need to leave it. This is a problem with raiding in general, as too few players out of the total available actually raid, and therefore, the smaller the population of a server, the fewer the raiders.

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    So imagine, would you be crying if this was a new game that just came out and you saw a good amount of people ALL from your server at the fair? What's the difference if you see some people that are from other realms at the fair? We're all players on the same game, World of Warcraft. I think it's nice seeing other people again in areas once deserted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herrenos View Post
    I recently had to step back from raiding. CRZ is why I quit entirely instead of just becoming a casual.
    I tried leveling a monk, CRZ killed that for me. Got so fed up with fighting for mobs I deleted the toon and went back to my LvL 85+ toons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rielthas View Post
    Outside of organized raid opportunities, there is no real advantage or disadvantages to Low or High pop servers worth noting,
    Yes there is, there is a massive difference. It is called an economy. High pop servers have a much better more balanced economy than low pop servers. And if you are stupid enough to think that doesn't matter then your opinions on the topic are invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmac View Post
    So imagine, would you be crying if this was a new game that just came out and you saw a good amount of people ALL from your server at the fair? What's the difference if you see some people are from other realms at the fair? We're all players on the same game, World of Warcraft. I think it's nice seeing other people again in areas once deserted.
    I have no issues dealing with people on my realm. We all know each other for the most part and have multiple inter guild relationships. Mix in other realms and the anonymity rises and people just start acting like complete assholes. So yeah, makes a huge difference.

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