Firstly, I should say that I have had my mage since Vanilla but its an alt. I used to play her quite a lot back in Vanilla, but its been somewhat on/off since then. In any event I haven't really done any significant PvP on my Mage for a long time.
I have recently decided to start doing some PvP on my mage and I have to say I am finding it quite difficult, particularly versus melee. My main is a feral Druid and I PvP a lot with him, so I am used to melee play but ranged is stumping me somewhat.
My PvP gear is ok, most of the 522 set with an odd bit of PvE gear (scaled down to 522 ofc). I expect to have the full 522 PvP ste this week with a couple of bits of 550. The problem I am having is surviving melee classes, especially rogues which seem to be impossible for me.
A typical fight versus a rogue will go something like this:
Stun/silence 4 secs, I go down to maybe 60 - 75%. I get restunned & blink away. Rogue shadowsteps and carries on pew pew. I frost nova, rogue uses cloak of shadows and carries on pew pew. I use mirrors to try and buy some time. Cloak of shadows wears off, I nova + freeze. Rogue trinkets and does more pew pew. By this time I am either dead, or near enough.
Fights versus other melee aren't quite as bad as that, but nevertheless I still tend to lose.
At the moment I am playing as fire and I know I should go frost - I probably will. I can't see that changes my survivability much but I appreciate it will improve my burst and give me an extra nova.
I guess I am looking for some generic tips and advice on how to survive melee in PvP. I should add I am mainly doing BGs at the moment, but may do some arena, although it will be 2s double DPS.
Ok Ill give a real answer. In his opener he should barely break through your ice barrier. Which should be up because it cant fall off, the cd is shorter than the duration. If you are using temporal shield use it as soon as he opens. Either way you should still be near 100%. Now if he vanishes or whatever and then opens he will probably dance and shadowblades. Iceblock. Dont come out early. He just used all of his cds and you are at 100~. I would be burst of speed so I would nova and deep and run away while lancing into it. If he trinkets sheep him and set him up for all the dps you can put into him. If he cloaks just temporal whatever damage he might have and cold snap. after you get his trinket and cloak he is done. he can prep vanish but its pretty much over for him. Orb and deep if you can then just kite him with Cone of cold and blink and novas.
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My main is a mage but I pvp with almost all classes at 90. If you want to setup some wargames tonight where I can tell you waht to do against me on my rogue add tauntor#1665. Im horde US though.
Originally Posted by Egzis
I swear, if vanilla was released right now with updated graphics, it would be the laughing stock of the decade.
Originally Posted by Puupi
This whole thread explains in a pretty nice manner how can Beliebers exist.
In a duel situation, both of you with all CDs, Mages are supposed to beat Rogues. Unholy, Enhance and Ferals are counter classes but other melee you should dominate, all it takes is practice but this is as Frost of course. Fire is much more difficult and pretty much requires you to slow play and kite until you are able to get a full deep with PoM and AT and just melt them in it. Also IB is far superior in world but once you get into arena TS is better and i would suggest macroing it to IW. When playing rogues i use AT defensively when they cloak, instead of offensively with procs and just be ready to block the opener if you are getting chuncked because you know he popped some shit. Frost honestly offers much more in the way of survivabilty it makes fighting Rogues trivial.
Rogue opens, you wait for garrote to end and then you petnova him and blink away, now put living bomb up and try to get a shatter off. If rogue cloak steps u, use temporal shield. And then if he dances iceblock it. If he instead vanishes try to get him out with something and if he opens u again block of he dances, if he danced at start just sit it. Out of that he has no cloak, so orb deep him to either get his hp away or force trinket. And from there on you have 1 iceblock, evocation, cold snap and pet nova back aswll as ur trinket.
Thats how i would do it, i did however reroll priest and am not updated on mages in 1v1 nor am i by any means a mage expert.