Your thoughts on PRISM

[Theodon]

You'd think that spying becomes a lot less effective once everyone knows how you are doing it.

I personally don't care if they go through my e-mails or whatever searching for terrorist activities or
something like that. If they go through business e-mails to steal a client or a contract from me then
it's a no no.

So them spying on me doesn't bother me as long as they don't abuse the information.

Well that's the real issue. What makes you think they won't abuse the information? If they can somehow make money from it, or get something out of it, recent history has shown how much human rights or morals will get in the way of making a gain from it. I'm personally pretty certain that they will abuse that information without a second thought if the chance to make a gain from that information presents itself.

[shise]

I don't care. There is something that people forget:

a) Your privacy is not in play:
Because you are none, just a pixel more on the screen, a grain of sand in the desert.. call it as you wish.

b) The goal of this is to create profiles. All the information is collected by computers and used to make money out of it, nothing else.


And the most important:

c) They'll never know what I don't want them to know about me. In fact, not even a hacked getting into my computer at 100% control would have a clue of who I really am. Not everything is what it looks like and I don't mean it in a bad way.




However, Of course they are violating the constitution, but not only yours, every single constitution in the world. But since they are the ones doing so, we can't stop them.

[Heedless One]

I would say that, yes PRISM bothers me. Mostly because of the potential repercussions, such as a futuristic sci-fi dystopia (like 1984).

But to cheer up in this situation, I tell myself this: It's still better than Sharia law!

[MerinPally]

1. The Boston bombings happening while this was in place really points to the effectiveness of this program.

2. Did those foilings require rummaging through the entire fucking world's emails?

One got through the net. Things get missed. It's not perfect, there is no perfect system but it's definitely better than no system at all. I don't know how reporting of these things works over the pond but over here, foiled ones caught before anything even begins get reported regularly. One gets through the net, in the grand scheme of things you just have to say big deal. People died but far fewer than if many attacks had happened more regularly over time.

And how do you propose that they catch these people if not going through the lot? They don't read them all, you'd kill yourself after a day all the inane shit. What the British ones do and it wouldn't surprise me for PRISM to do the same is that it scans for keywords and then regularity of them, or known phrases, and those will get highlighted and then looked at. They have the access to read your stuff but I can guarantee you they don't read 99.999% of it simply due to sheer volume and how pointless it'd be.

Personally I think it's wrong that they do it to people that aren't living in their country but I don't see it as that big of a problem. It's bad but... so is pissing against the wall of a building on a drunken night out.

[Deleted]

To be honest, this is exactly something I'd expect from the USA. It doesn't surprise me, I don't know what I could do to stop it and I don't like it. That's all.


Because it's against the american constitution to spy on your people, but it's not against it to spy on everyone else in the world.

well what a suprise, i turns out they are infact also spying in the US.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...bal-datamining

[Catta]

PRISM?

What is it with the US and initialisms...

[Elim Garak]

PRISM?

What is it with the US and initialisms...

Well their whole country doesn't have a proper name, just an initialism. What did you expect?

[Phlegethon]

Now the government claims they did not spy on American civilians (cause that would be against the constitution) but in the meantime, they also claim they can't be sure of all the ID's en whereabouts related to a communication transcript. Basically: They can't be sure that they never spied on American Civilians.

Hahaha, what a joke
(or did you believe that? ;-))
The verizon debacle shows that it is a blatant lie.

The world as depicted in 1984 and V for Vendetta exists, it is now.

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As long as it isn't being done on American citizens I couldn't careless about it. Although I have extreme doubts that they're only targeting only foreigners.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Ofcourse their own subjects are the first they spy on. The rest of the world comes after that. "you" are in a better position to attack your own govt.

[Catta]

Well their whole country doesn't have a proper name, just an initialism. What did you expect?

Never thought of that. They get it spoonfed! Everything in 10 letters or less. I guess the Germans are the antithesis to the Americans then.

[Masark]

One got through the net. Things get missed. It's not perfect, there is no perfect system but it's definitely better than no system at all. I don't know how reporting of these things works over the pond but over here, foiled ones caught before anything even begins get reported regularly. One gets through the net, in the grand scheme of things you just have to say big deal. People died but far fewer than if many attacks had happened more regularly over time.

Bullshit. This program hasn't stopped anything that wasn't stopped via competent policework.

[Piggo]

Why are people suprised about this?

[Deleted]

One got through the net. Things get missed. It's not perfect, there is no perfect system but it's definitely better than no system at all. I don't know how reporting of these things works over the pond but over here, foiled ones caught before anything even begins get reported regularly. One gets through the net, in the grand scheme of things you just have to say big deal. People died but far fewer than if many attacks had happened more regularly over time..

You mean all those socalled terror plots the FBI has stoped ? the ones where except for 1 idiot it's all fbi agents and there never ever was a threat if they didn't approach said idiot themself and 'groom'him into that plot only to get arrested , yeah looks nice on the news but there never was anything they stopped , all they did was end their operation.

[Puck]

So, it is not okay to spy on American citizens but everyone else in the world is fair game?

Okay then. I hope they enjoy homoerotic images as much as I do.

[Deleted]

So, it is not okay to spy on American citizens but everyone else in the world is fair game?

Okay then. I hope they enjoy homoerotic images as much as I do.

You can do better than that... Shemale Midget scat porn, now that would fuck em up.

[Deleted]

well what a suprise, i turns out they are infact also spying in the US.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...bal-datamining

Nor such a surprise. I'm more surprised that my country is green on that map.

[Goldfingaz]

Well, what do you want? Privacy or security?

Privacy is a rather large form of security.

Asking what people want between the two, is simply a loaded question. What are they securing the US Citizens from? Terrorist attacks? Well, they had fair warning about the biggest terrorist attack (9/11) and didn't do anything about it.

I mean, I believe your comment is borderline sarcastic, as no one could really believe you can have one or the other, but not both. I just hope that this ability isn't going to be abused, but we all know deep down that it will be.

[Mukki]

That's right, I would rather the government not see what porn sites I've been on, to people being killed in terrorist attacks. Priorities...

I find your absolute faith in government to have your best interest at heart and to never turn on you very cute, like that of a young child.

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Going to foil terrorists plots that would affect you then? Cool.

I know, right? Why even have any freedom or rights? Terrorists could take advantage of it! At least if we're all slaves we'll be SAFE!

lol

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Your take on the Turkish riots is very delusional. They are not some covert ops team sneaking around taking out high profile government targets. They are simply people that are pissed about the current situation, all that takes is a look out the window to see, you going to tell me the gov can board up every window in the country to keep people from knowing what is going on outside? Blocking twitter, facebook does not work. Look what happened in Egypt. Did shutting down the internet stop the riots? No it didn't. it fueled them.



This made me chuckle a little. To late to what? explain to my parents about the shifty sites I once visited? That one nasty comment I posted to a guy I didn't like? Jail time incoming.

If them getting everyones information can help :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ce-reveal.html

Then please, continue to collect everyone information.

I could bring up that this goes against everything America stood for at one time, but then again you probably have no idea what America is supposed to stand for.

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It seems to me like every time the US government does something people don't like, they pull out the "constitution" card. As I said before, if you are taking some "state laws" over actually saving peoples lives if attacks are stopped, you need to sort your priorities out. I can imagine if something happened, to someone close to you, you would have something to say on "why the government isn't doing all it can to stop these attacks".

It's the fourth amendment, why don't you open the constitution and read it before making inane statements? It's obvious that your knowledge of the United States, its history and its founding documents is remedial at best.

I'm also probably giving you too much credit.

---------- Post added 2013-06-09 at 07:06 PM ----------

The government has no buisness ever looking at what you look at. Why? Because it's against the constitution to spy on you. The reason why our government has such a hard time catching terrorists or had a hard time catching bin laden for example is that they do not rely on electronic or digital means to communicate. This is fucking scary. Im not sure if our generation here is either to naive or complacent to understand the recent move in washington, but it is scary. This last decade in particular has given us the NDAA, surveilance drones on american soil, many broad spectrum bills which have had the room for massive and egregious misuse (IE sopa, Cispa) and a ever growing infringement on our right to bear arms never mind the patriot act. If you know anything about history, then you should recognize why this is scary. There is absolutely no need for PRISM, none whatsoever and this particular program should be shut down immediately. Call your senator's and congressmen and voice your opposition to this
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
http://www.senate.gov/reference/comm...t_senators.htm

You're on an MMO website forum, the majority of posters here are easily frightened and docile. They want the government to take care of them so they can stay in their comfort zones. It's sad, but that's reality.

[Deleted]

Interesting interview with the 'whistleblower'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/vide...nterview-video

[Tackhisis]

Another Western propaganda myth about the immunity of intercommunication is blown. Will someone apologize? I doubt it.

[Palmz]

You ( democrats ) wanted more government control. Well, rest assured that is exactly what you are getting!

Really though. If it's for national security and breaking the minds of future terrorism, by all means...