View Poll Results: Buffind racials overly to promote growth in a faction.

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  • Strong action has to be taken buff them big

    22 15.28%
  • Bring the horde racials down

    17 11.81%
  • Leave the racials as they are.

    58 40.28%
  • Remove racials and find another way to buff alliance raiding.

    47 32.64%
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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgePayne View Post
    I find it strange that alot of the votes are to leave the racials the way they are even though it is hugely inbalanced
    Probably because it's the only option that disagrees with the stupid proposition that Blizzard should 'force' lots of raiders to faction transfer to/back to the Alliance.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudgePayne View Post
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    Haha, I like Gnomes, let's do it. Every single caster that's not a Gnome is Doing It Wrong. Good idea.

    You should give Tauren a buff though (I finally race-changed my Shaman, so now's a good time, right?). They're the only Horde Shaman race that's the wrong choice for any sort of remotely serious pve. They're good for herbalist alts, and sort of understandable for tanks (though, the hp bonus is pretty damn small).

    How about

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWindWalker View Post
    The best answer I've ever heard to this is to just make six racial groups and mirror the racials across.

    B/N Elf
    Human/Orc
    Troll/Worgen
    Goblin/Gnome
    Draenei/Undead
    Tauren/Dwarf

    Just change the flavor text for the "reason" the passive/active ability is there and move along.
    I'd never heard that idea, that's good. You'd eliminate any griping about the op-ness of the opposite faction's racials for whatever, but Blizz might actually do it because there'd still be a reason for people to pay them for race changes occasionally (like, they rolled a Tauren Shaman way back when, but now they'd prefer Orc/Troll/Panda/Goblin racials).

    I'd put Forsaken and Humans as mirrors myself, since Forsaken were Humans, and they already both have the pvp racial.

    Human/Forsaken (humans, plump or...otherwise)
    Nelf/Belf (duh)
    Gnome/Goblin (pocket-sized, though of variable adorability)
    Worgen/Troll (gangly 'wild', both be flippin out, (mon))
    Draenei/Tauren (hooved 'good guys')
    Dwarf/Orc (hardy 'tough guys')

    It wouldn't appease the OP though. Even disregarding the bait-and-switch idea, he wants some sort of Alliance affirmative action program. Equity would just lead to Horde raiders staying Horde, and outnumbering Alliance raiders, and that's not OK, because it's a Human rights violation, or something.
    Last edited by Mnevis; 2013-06-12 at 11:52 AM.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Mnevis View Post
    It wouldn't appease the OP though. Even disregarding the bait-and-switch idea, he wants some sort of Alliance affirmative action program. Equity would just lead to Horde raiders staying Horde, and outnumbering Alliance raiders, and that's not OK, because it's a Human rights violation, or something.
    Look mate there are numerous posts on mmo-champion and on the official forums stating that the alliance raiding scene is in dire straits. The alliance does need action atm or else the faction pve end game wise may just stop.

    This is a known issue and yet the horde believe this is fine and they cannot see the problem.

    With no alliance the game becomes stagnant and other mmo's where one faction became the "only" faction died because of it.


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    Last edited by JudgePayne; 2013-06-14 at 10:29 AM.

  3. #83
    Extremely overpowered racials in some cases.

    Also the racials seem to heavily favor certain classes or roles, very likely that (random example) all priests would have to be Human because of the synergy etc...

    Racials need to have LESS influence on the PvE and PvP battles, and more on primary and secondary professions and similar non-direct DPS/HPS/Survival stuff....

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    This would make Humans even stronger in PvP. Racials need to be completely reworked and perhaps have it so that you choose what racials you want your character to have so it's not determined by what race you choose. I guess then they wouldn't be racials to a degree, but that feels like the best fix since players can't really complain about a different racial being stronger since they can have it, too.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    Extremely overpowered racials in some cases.

    Also the racials seem to heavily favor certain classes or roles, very likely that (random example) all priests would have to be Human because of the synergy etc...

    Racials need to have LESS influence on the PvE and PvP battles, and more on primary and secondary professions and similar non-direct DPS/HPS/Survival stuff....
    Seems counter-intuitive on the original design of racials. It causes a lot of heated changes at higher level raiding and PvP; but what about everyone else? Granted there is a lot of merit to make it so racials are near useless in PvE / PvP (Minor minor boosts), but that leaves out another choice for a player. I'm for diversity in classes / races, but I suppose people favor illusion balance over it.
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  6. #86
    Rebalancing racials will BOT rebalance factions... You need to force them into playing alliance again or recruitment reasons will not be overcome. Shifting the imbalance onto alliance side might help in terms of hoping that some good guilds stay horde / wait and you can rebalance or just drop racials to a later time completely.

  7. #87
    Voted for "leave them as they are" not because I think they are balanced but because this horrible poll only gives me options to buff alliance for some bizarre reason. Personally couldn't give two shits about what faction anyone apart from my mates play so - I kind of thought this thread was about racials not alliance.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhaktor View Post
    Voted for "leave them as they are" not because I think they are balanced but because this horrible poll only gives me options to buff alliance for some bizarre reason. Personally couldn't give two shits about what faction anyone apart from my mates play so - I kind of thought this thread was about racials not alliance.
    One of my post's ... always about the alliance. The idea behind the topic as you can read from the follow on posts was to change the alliance racials to make them more appleaing to guilds that were alliance and went horde due to recruitment / racials reasons.

  9. #89
    I think they should remove all dps racials, but replace them with utility ones like war stomp, shadowmeld, or escape artist.

  10. #90
    in my opinion all racials should only involve meaningful aesthetics/QOL stuff.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgePayne View Post
    Ok so people wish for racials to be removed and for another system to be put in place to restore the balance but no one if offering any answer's or ideas on how to achieve that goal. At least the racial buffing idea would get people back to alliance.

    So please I would love to hear your ideas on getting people back to balance out the raid scene.
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  12. #92
    There is nothing wrong with the way racials work, there is something wrong with people who think that they will suddenly do much better if the switch faction. Why should Blizzard cater to a few top-end guilds who would chop off their own leg if it gave them an advantage?

  13. #93
    Speaking as someone in a high end alliance raiding guild, I'd be happy if they just removed combat racials. It's utterly stupid that horde guilds do more damage to beasts, for example. What purpose does that mechanic serve? Does it make the game more fun for people to do more damage to beasts? Does it make the story more compelling? There's just no reason for it and it causes a lot of issues among competitive guilds, and eventually other peripheral issues are caused by the racial imbalance via too many guilds paying to go horde and alliance guilds having a smaller recruiting pool etc.

    Racials should be either mirrored across the factions (ie if trolls do more damage to beasts, dwarves do more to beasts too, if worgen have a sprint and 1% crit, give the same to tauren or whatever and so on) or purely cosmetic or with minimal gameplay value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgePayne View Post
    The idea is to draw people back to the alliance and then once the numbers are in an even distribution remove the racials.

    As said on another thread from a member of dread, "if you removed racials in the morning guilds would remain horde as there would be no reason to become alliance".

    so we need to bring some of the guilds back to alliance to even the numbers, and how do we do that.

    By giving the alliance racials a boost to get some of the horde guilds to return to the alliance.
    Why is it important that any raiders are Alliance?

    Why is it important that any raiders are Horde?

    The game would be fine if all raiders were some faction that was neither. It's fine if they're all Horde and it's fine if they're Alliance too.

    And by "raiders" I mean those two-percenters who are all about doing what it is that the rest of the two-percenter herd is doing in order to allegedly (but not in reality) maximize DPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gondlem View Post
    Does it make the game more fun for people to do more damage to beasts? Does it make the story more compelling?
    If you're fighting a beast it does.

    People got their knickers in a twist because the cockblock in both normal and heroic is a beast. Until now no one gave a shit about +5% beast damage.

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    As a Dwarf warrior tank I find the debate of "ally racials suck" to be laughable.
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    The non-sequitur derp is reaching critical mass...and it's not even page 2 yet.

    Talk about peaking early.

  16. #96
    If you want to play Alliance and have good racials, play Pandaren. Everyone has the option to have great racials but they want to have them in thir race. Well even in the Horde you have to be either an Orc or a Troll for good dps racials. They dont really matter that much and the reason why most raiders are Horde is because they all gravitated there for easier finding of raid groups. If you want to boost the Alliance raiding community you would have to move everyone over to Alliance and thats no better than it is now. Actually it would be worse since I play Horde and would rather see a racial for my BE hunter that will help my dps, you know, like a ranged weapon bonus since we were the actual archers and rangers in the RTS and Trolls threw things.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgePayne View Post

    The idea is to draw people back to the alliance and then once the numbers are in an even distribution remove the racials.
    ...if the end result is complete removal of racials why bother buffing one side over the other (resulting in both PVE and PVP benefits for one which would result in it being onesided in a different manner) when you can just remove the racials at the start and make it a matter of personal choice?
    ...at this point it's almost guaranteed that "war in warcraft" is garrosh getting on his incompetent podium to declare yet another group his enemy for the crime of breathing his air, alliance saying this is horde favoritism, and the more....special....yes.. let's go with special... horde players seeing garrosh as a god because he lets them attack the alliance players who keep saying that out being led by a moron is horde favoritism.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazgrel View Post
    -Remove any sort of gameplay/performance enhancing racials (can leave stuff like +10 to trade skills, rep bonus, etc.).
    -EMFH should be a baseline ability for all players

    Really really bland and generic, yes, but the simplest and easiest way to balance the racials out, IMO.
    I like this, honestly. I think the notion of PvP trinkets is a bit outdated. Giving all races a CC escape would be extremely agreeable to me. Giving all races the same initial baseline stats would be good as well since I'm pretty sure there are some people out there who would reroll for one or two stat points.

    All racials should be 'for flavour'. So, for example:

    Draenei - Gift of the Naaru (gains the Naaru mark above their head for 10 seconds, purely cosmetic), Gemcutting (remove bonus skill level, crafts Jewelcrafting items 50% faster)
    Dwarf - Stoneform (skin turns to stone for 10 seconds, purely cosmetic), Miners (Mines ore faster)
    Gnome - Engineering Specialist (remove bonus skill level, builds Engineering items 50% faster), Puntable (activitable skill, allows party or raid members to kick the gnome 10 yards)
    Human - Diplomacy (effects Alliance factions only), For The Alliance! (makes all party and raid members /cheer)
    Night Elf - Shadowmeld (Night Elves become transluctent during the night time while stationary, but not stealthed), Wisp Form
    Worgen - Flayer (remove bonus skill level), Two Forms (minor change - allow people to stay in whichever form they prefer)

    Pandaren - Epicurean (doubles length of food bonus), Inner Peace

    Blood Elf - Arcane Affinity (remove bonus skill level, enchants 50% faster), Arcane Hunger (regains mana 100% faster from drinking)
    Forsaken - Cannibalism, The Tireless Undead (gains rested bonus at double the rate)
    Goblin - Best Deals Anywhere (effects Horde factions only), Better Living Through Chemistry (remove bonus skill level, crafts alchemy 50% faster)
    Orc - Bloodrage (Orc's eyes glow red for 10 seconds, purely cosmetic), For The Horde! (makes all party and raid members /cheer)
    Tauren - Endurence (Tauren suffer from Resurrection Sickness for 25% less time), Cultivation (remove bonus skill level)
    Troll - Regeneration (doubles health regeneration out of combat, no in-combat regeneration), Da Voodoo Shuffle (may move while dancing, lasts 10 seconds)

  19. #99
    Giving strong racials and then taking them away is an awful idea. People who will race/faction swap for racials are the same people who pay for these services constantly and have plenty of mind to go right back when you take them away. I have a friend who race/name changes and server transfers on a whim. He's probably paid 700 or so dollars by now, no exaggeration.

    Want to do something unfair to encourage alliance numbers? Provide free account service swaps, but only if you go from horde to alliance.

    It's not a great idea, it's not stunning, it probably wouldn't do too much, but giving great imbalanced racials would work up until the point that you took them away. Also, are you joking? Like the playerbase wouldn't be PISSED about the entire thing. At least free transfers is straightforward and there's no lie behind it.

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Normie View Post
    If you're fighting a beast it does.

    People got their knickers in a twist because the cockblock in both normal and heroic is a beast. Until now no one gave a shit about +5% beast damage.
    What? How does it make the game more fun to have one race do 5% more damage to a certain boss? It just creates a pointless incentive to race/faction change. And Horridon isn't a "cockblock" on heroic, it's one of the easiest bosses, and this isn't a new issue. High ranking alliance guilds have been gradually going horde since early Cataclysm. It was definitely more egregious this tier because there were five beast bosses, but it's not new. People have given a shit about it for a long time, they just assumed that eventually Blizzard would adjust racials since it's been needed for such a long time.
    Last edited by Gondlem; 2013-06-15 at 04:41 PM.

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