let me link u my D3 profile: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rogoth01-2220/
my main wizard has most of her gear bought off the AH, never used a single penny of real world money, saved up gold and sold alot of stuff on AH to affrod some stuff, also got a couple of items given to me by friends who quit the game and wanted their items to go to use than just go to some faceless wonder looking to score a great upgrade, as for my alts, excluding the rings on my barb, and the helm on my WD, EVERYTHING they are wearing is self found by my main wizard after playing soo long to get to p100, don't get me wrong ur not gonna find gear over night, it takes time, but isn't that the point? the thrill of the next loot item being the big one?, so i ask, why do u need to uset he AH to get good gear, just spend a long time playing the game without even opening the AH ui and see what happens, i can guarentee u 1 thing, u will find items from simply playing the game that are perfectly adequate, the problem with the vast majority of the playerbase, is they are using godly items as a yardstick, so if something isn't good enough to compete with a BiS item is is automatically trash, which is wrong.
And no, I don't use godly items as a yardstick, I use the potential worth of the item as a yardstick. If an item won't sell for a million or more, it's not worth using up one of your slots. Except, I find one of those, every week or so. MAYBE. A million gold item in a week. When upgrades cost 200-500 million. That's why.
I'm also confused why you say you don't have to use the auction house, but say that your gear was earned by selling items, on the auction house, and buying your gear, on the auction house.
Oh, and no, you don't get 300k damage through self found. Either you're the luckiest SOB in the world for your barb, or you didn't self find all that gear.
to answer ur questions 1 at a time pendulous:
i'll go through each of my characters seperately:
main wizard (paragon 91 currently): armoury is saved showing my archon set, i have a CM set equipped worth in region of 1.5B gold (some cross over with items from my archon set, but only 2-3 items are universal), almost all of the gear i use in these 2 gear sets is bought from the AH, and no, i didn't use any bots/buy gold to afford these items, i did what any person with an ounce of sense with regards to market data and how to read it does, watch for trends in prices for certain items over long periods, and buy when the time is right, and 99% of my gear is bought with bid auctions (some had buyouts, but i as never gonna afford those buyout prices), and over time i have aquired some very nice gear for my main.
alt wizard: lvled this guy up for the class achievement, all the gear he is wearing outside of the crafted gear, is either old gear i used to have on my main wizard (1 or 2 items) the rest is gear an old friend of mine gave me when he quite, since i already had better gear on my main character, i shoved it on this alt, saving me vital stash space.
barbarian (lvl 60): rings were bought off the AH for no more than 7M the pair on bid only auctions, the skorn was given to me as a gift from a friend who was trying to get me to main swap to barb, everything else on this profile was found over the period while lvling my main wizards paragon lvl.
demon hunter (lvl 60): all gear on this alt was self found while paragon lvling my main wizard, side note: (just yesterday i bought a set of vile wards off AH as i am lookign to sell this set but before then i was using crafted shoulders).
witch doctor: helm was recently bought off AH, until then i was using a self found zuni helm with all res, EF mace was given to me as a gift from a player whom i helped build a wizard set for, he found it while testing out the gearset i had built for him and said i should take it as a thank you for the help i had given, everything else again, is a self find while lvling my main wizard up the paragon lvl ladder.
all of this gear has been aquired over the past 9-10 months, with a slightly higher than average amount of time played per day than the normal gamer, i have been lucky to find several items worth a large amount of gold, and have sold these items to finance buying new upgrades for my main and only ever my main, (which i am now at a brickwall with due to needing sums of gold greater than AH cap to buy upgrades in most slots), my highest sale was my old chantodo's force, which sold for a little over 400M gold, but my next biggest sale was somewhere in the region of 55M gold, also i feel i should point out, it all depends on how u use the gold u get, me personally, i re-invest it and try to increase my gold until i can afford the next big upgrade, then start over from scratch again, also, i have built many many wizard sets, and as gratitude, players have given me tips ranging from a few million gold, up to a maximum of 50M from one player who i built 2 sets for.
as to u twisting my statement about not using the AH, there are many great items out there from just playing the game, you don't need to use the AH for every possible upgrade u will ever obtain, i used myself as an example, saying that, i have found copious amounts of perfectly decent, and in some cases, very good gear, just from playing, i use the AH to upgrade my main, and that's it, i have 4 alt characters i use as surplus storage, and they all have full inventories from gear i have found, the vast majority of which, is worth per item 2-4M+ in some cases 20-30M+ for some weapons and helms i have, so claiming that u can't find good gear is a fallacy, nothing more, it is simply that u either can't or won't invest the time and effort to aquire them, which is the main problem, i understand the arguements about the AH, and lets face it why bother farming for stuff when it is soo freely available from the AH whenever u want it, point is, i still enjoy farming the game, hoping for my next big upgrade to be around the corner, i still enjoy melting monsters into thin air and i would enjoy this with or without the AH, all the AH does is makes it easier to do all that.
The only reason why you considered some of the items in d2 to be "useful" is because there was no AH in d2.
Item value depends just on 2 things: drop chance and number of players willing to buy this item on the market.
It means that if there was AH in d2 and if d2 was played by the same number of players as d3 you would spend exactly the same amount of time farming to get "useful" item as you currently spend in d3.
It means that "useful item" like oculus for example that you considered to be "useful" when you played d2 would cost around 50k in current d3 currency because they are very common and you can farm 3-5 items a day.
And you would dream about ethereal 6-socket berserker axe. Which drops once per 2-4 weeks of everyday farming, if you are extremely lucky.
Your frustration is understandable, but be realistic.
You find dozens of great items in d3 every day. You just don't consider them to be any good because they worth nothing on AH.
It does not make items in d2 with similar drop rates any better.
So all of your negative opinions you made against D3 in motivation to play it, becomes indeed trivial once you play it in hardcore mode.
Besides your reaction is even proof you never played hardcore... Because you don't loose everything when you die...
You can build further on older gear you stocked, keep the gold you assembled, keep the found crafting plans, etc.
This makes hardcore D3 a RESOURCE management game within a survival game as the ultimate goal. Your older (stocked) leveling gear is re used in a reborn avatar.
And since the AH is constantly reset by ... The fact everyone dies ... it is an extreme motivating game to play with certain goals, like getting classes to 60, getting to kill diablo in Inferno with those classes, getting to play an end game economy with death as a permanent threath etc...
So D3 hardcore is integrated within the design, it is far from invented by players.
Play before judging. HC is a complete different game as grind is replaced by long term goals and resource planning that far exceeds each individual death (because you are building further on every death you encounter).
Last edited by BenBos; 2013-06-19 at 07:50 AM.
Try answering my post why you ignore 50% of the offered game play: HC.
And btw last weekend the number of hc public grouping was 100% higher than just after patch 1.08, which shows more and more people play it like that now.
Why do you use arguments of SOFT core play and project them on hardcore (in the sense of playing many many hours) users ?
When hardcore play is there for ... Hardcore players (in the sense of playing many hours) ???
Because that specific HC economy is emptied every few seconds with every death ....
Soft play is for soft players (read casual fun with all options open to acquire that fun).
Why do you discuss softcore play as if it has to address hardcore players (as in playing time) ??
Last edited by BenBos; 2013-06-19 at 08:03 AM.
While i don't agree with BenBos point being HC play the perfect play, i agree with other points he makes.
SC is plagued by the AH economy which requires more gold the more time passes - HC has a more "healthy" economy due to permanent deaths and people playing ultra safely to not waste money.
In SC, you don't need actually 300k dps to farm decently, but you ar farming for the sake of what? As Pendolous said, either you're really lucky dropping really really worthy items so you can use them or sell them for gear, or you reach a point to which you don't have any means to progress, and it's very very far from decking a char in BiS items, unless you want to spend some money on that.
I'm having a twist leveling my HC DH. Definitely something to try off, even if i hate the fact i can possibly lose all my progress the moment i get a lag spike/dc.
Apparently there are soulbounding item modifications coming to D3, but they moved the patch to november ? So don't hold your breath.
For laughs: Kongor after crafting 1001 useless amulets
What's the worst that can happen to you ...
Last edited by Darsithis; 2013-06-19 at 05:41 PM.
You have serious problems with your logic. Read my posts again and try to use your brain to make conclusions this time.Besides your reaction is even proof you never played hardcore... Because you don't loose everything when you die...
It was impossible for any sane person to get to the idea that I never played hardcore.
I have extensive experience playing both softcore and hardcore from early beta.
There is no difference between "invented by players" and "invented by someone else".So D3 hardcore is integrated within the design, it is far from invented by players.
Gameplay is gameplay.
If one gameplay is significantly better than another it would be used by players. Like Dota was invented by a guy who was not satisfied with war3 gameplay.
Use your brain before judging other people.Play before judging. HC is a complete different game as grind is replaced by long term goals and resource planning that far exceeds each individual death (because you are building further on every death you encounter).
HC is not a completely different game. It is the same game with slight balance distortions. Some of them are good, some of them are bad.
HC is not popular. Just 9% of the characters were created on HC. Considering how many of the HC characters were deleted after death and created again we could probably talk about 3-5% of the players playing HC. And we don't even know how far did they get playing it.
HC is not accessible for 90% of the D3 community. To play HC you need perfectly stable internet connection. The number of people in the world with perfectly stable internet connection is negligible.
What's the point of telling people that they should play the game mode that they can't play anyway?