KJC & MF are huge nerfs.
Especially with KJC I Wonder how we'll be able to PVP.
Melee already have infinite mobility, with warrior & rogues mechanism completely obliterating the usefulness of portal & demonic gateways & paladins & dks running faster than the Wind. Not even talking of ridiculous monks & ferals mobility.
Last edited by Silmarieni; 2013-06-12 at 09:39 AM.
We now have spiritwalkers grace as a max level talent, which shamen have as baseline iirc - outside of that (or if the fight requires us to take MF), affliction can't do squat half the time since the entire rotation is built around preserving dot buffs, and fel flame does not mesh with that playstyle one bit, the ability was left in it's old format (which was hardly stellar back in cata), despite the entire warlock system getting a redesign which it simply doesn't work together with. Destro and demo are far less affected by it, but even then it's not great.
I'd argue the same for the max level talents, Blizzard have sat around buffing KJC, then nerfing it and MF for long enough. Most talent tiers are all similar (CC tier / survivability tier / damage increase tier etc), but our last set of talents are so disparate that it's proving impossible to balance them.
AV is just flawed on concept - they're doing plenty to re-work vengeance since they don't want tanks abusing the damage they take for a damage boost - that's exactly what AV ends up being, which for a dps class, is sucky.
KJC I personally found fine with the snare, useless before when it was a damage gimp, as it stands now it's in the same boat as AV - it's bad, but it's competing with other garbage talents so pick your poison.
MF I really don't understand the nerf, it's always been a very volatile talent where if you want huge AOE radius, it outstrips the others by far, but is useless without it - but that's to be expected when the talent has zero benefit beyond aoe and it's competing with talents that offer zero benefit ON aoe, just a byproduct of giving us a tier where each talent is so different.
They either need to accept that if they want the talents to be such varied utility, that people will invariably flock towards one talent, as they did with KJC, and that's just how things will be - not bad, just how it is, the other talents will shine on their respected niches.
Or they need to redesign that tier of talents from the ground up so that they actually have some crossover like most other talent tiers.
We should get Mortal Coil baseline instead of Howl of Terror, because we're a self-sustain class and it fits better as a baseline ability Imo.
KJC change hurts. A LOT. I can't understand it. We got to cast while moving but we also snared ourselves by doing so, so it wasn't that a big deal. If we're getting it as a CD it should definitely a shorter CD, 45-60 sec. Same for MF.
The damage reduction from Fel Armor also hurts.
I think Soul Harvest should be active all the time, not only out of combat, to compensate these changes.
We already have a bad time against melee classes, so making us more stationary to cast and less tanky will hurt us a lot in PvP.
I think all locks love the state we are in atm, which is grossly overpowered (In PvE).
10% passive dmg reduc/hp/healing taken, Soul Leech, our 3 survival talents, portals, best AoE on some fights, one of top single target etc.
Removing the passive 10% is a bad idea, because we need it in pvp. I do believe Soul Leech should be tweaked in line with Dark Regen.
KJC is a very fun talent in current state, but it also dumbs the class down alot. 15/90 might be over the top, but it should be around that ratio, maybe 10/60.
I don't really like the MF change, atleast I believe the cooldown should be lower. 15/45 seems fine to me.
OT: It really seems like Demo will be spec to go this tier, especially if they won't nerf Lei Shen trinket (Shard of Woe v2?). Affliction is hurt a lot by KJC change, Destro with tier bonuses dumbed down to casting CB when you get ember AND the KJC change AND we still haven't got to Rain of Fire single target nerf which will leave even less to cast when moving AND Manny Fury is huge hit aimed for destro again.
And what are they thinking with Soul Leech? Any sane Warlock knows how OP it is, especially for Destro spec, and they are specifically BUFFING it, wtf?
I know it still early, but am I only lock here who feels like people in charge of our class, have no clue what they are doing? 90 talents are now trash, we might as well not even have them, at way they are looking. We are supposed to be Demonic be able to do thing others can't since we practice black magic and everything. Yet seems like we becoming no different then mages and other caster, as all these nerfs after nerfs we are getting. Every patch they kill the lock more, soon class will be worthless at their rate.
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Destro Soul Leech wasn't in need of a buff, but now Havoc'ing 3 Shadowburn will be pretty OP for building a SL shield
Soloing as a warlock.
When they bring these horrible changes to the live servers, they have to revert some changes they made to other spells because our lvl 90 talents existed as passive.
Anyone remembers the changes to SoC, Hellfire, RoF or FnB to which they replied, that we have Mannaroth's Fury?
Looks like buffs for pvp.
For pve, this really makes me sad, the changes to Manaroths fury and KJC are both TERRIBLE. I realise we were strong, and I know this is just the first patch notes for PTR, but I really hope they revise this change or change us in other ways. To be honest I was expecting changes to our survivability and not MF/KJC which bassically make us useful. Can you imagine AoEing on Ice walls without MF? I dno, im probably just in Butthurt mode, and we will probably even see MORE nerfs to us. But I just need some time to adjust... and cry.. =/
Blizz finally accomplished in MoP what they never accomplished before, to give a pure DPS class three different and very viable speccs at the same time. They never managed that before in 9 years. And now they are destroying their class design master piece? wtf? Affliction won't be viable on movement heavy fights anymore and even destro will have rough times in 5.4
It's all about Demo in 5.4. Best mobility combined with sick UVLS and super strong set bonuses.
Sad warlock is sad.
Last edited by JudgeRidi; 2013-06-12 at 11:42 AM.
Ye if they nerf more before this patch is released i'm going back to my hunter or druid.
Last edited by NytemareRulez; 2013-06-12 at 08:54 PM.
they should have changed KJC so it only affected our filler spells, that would have made sense, to change it the way they did was stupid. we had only 1 choice b4, now we will do equally well without a lvl 90 talent as we would with a lvl 90 talent, so i guess something good did come out of it, now we dont need to pick a lvl 90 talent.