Right now I only have UVLS and hydra for trinkets. Is uvls really that terrible come 5.4? Also, do we still stack haste as aff next patch? Dos demo go back to a crit heavy build?
There is still debate, and without a final numbers pass its speculation, but since I like to speculate I can tell you the damage of our dots is going up and you will ultimately be channeling less for affliction. With that said, I think it will be best to go for the 9778 or 13787 bp and going full mast after the desired amount is reached.
In regards to Demo, I cannot speak for that, but crit heavy seems to be a viable option, but of course if you do this, the cross functionality for spec swapping will not be as smooth.
Am I the only one of the opinion that it's unlikely Destro will be buffed more, and very likely that Afflic & Demo will be severely nerfed instead?
GC has said "locks and mages are too high" like a million times, and mages took some nerfs to the face recently.
That said, they already have a 25% reduction against players in place. Don't see why they couldn't buff that reduction if required.
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I dont necessarily agree because the resource is being built on yourself, not the target so if you're dpsing a main target and you have to make a quick switch you still have the resources you built up beforehand to do the same burst you can now. If you need to cast an immolate on the burst target, then it isn't really a burst target. Debuffs matter more to subtelty than destro.Immolate is already worth casting in a lot of situations. Further buffing Immolate only pushes the spec that further towards the DoT-focused end of the spectrum, and can result in situations where we lose our ability to do quick switch burst damage because we have too much damage/ember generation inside of Immolate. (A problem Subtlety has in spades)
Immolate is already, on live, worth casting on a target if it'll be alive for about 3 ticks. If you suddenly increase the ember gen that substantially, it'll have to be one of the first things you cast on any target, and that feels like a DoT spec more than a Nuke spec to me.
I'm referring to mechanics with my concerns here, not balancing. Buffing Immolate that substantially doesn't really fit in with what I would consider (and the spec's been following thus far) to be the identity of the spec.
There is room to buff chaos bolt in pvp. During cd's CB hits for ~ 80k, and is a minimum of a 1.9s cast. I think as long as that # stays under 100k it wont cause pvp balance issues.
Guys, my guild started to test stuff on PTR since 25man have started. Everyone were saying in this very thread how OPs we were and we would be nerfed, but I dont see it, Iam having reall trouble to even be top 15 with either aff/demo, I been testing new trinkets and new tier 4set. Rogues, hunters and shamans are stealing the show, especially rogues.
The few bosses I tried weren't that lock friendly thou.
Garrison Guardian / Protretardin / waste of time
I think that however they buff us (assuming they do) it's important to keep the correct ratios of damage from Immolate, Conflag, Incin, Chaosbolt and Shadowburn.
I think Destro was just nuke focused compared to Aff and Demo (not counting pet swaping, gear swapping, MWC hell). Now it's ACTUALLY a nuke spec.
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It seems that until you have heroic gear 2pc+2pc is stronger for Demonology come 5.4.
Did some testing on PTR and I will most likely roll Mastery> Crit >=Haste builds as Destro MS Demo OS so i won't have to change gear too much and be demo for 3/4 target fights.
The immolation buff was probably to compensate for the RoF "nerf" so that on AoE fights the dots would be stronger to synergize with the 5.4 Manaroth's
Hell's I'm all for it. It would make multi-dotting more interesting. Throw our cleave abilities on top of that? Sweet.
In all this talk I haven't seen any feedback on the new Glyph of Havoc. I'm sure it will be on a fight by fight basis but does anyone have any PTR feedback on it?
@Mr. Happy: I don't think FnB Immolate is affected by the new MF.
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