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    Breaking into the top 10 out of 15'ish dps isn't stellar lol.... Anything where destro can snipe shadowburns it will do well but niche situations don't make a spec. Crutching an entire spec on shadowburn sniping (esp w' havoc + shadowburn cleave) seems like a gimmicky playstyle to say the least.

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    Yeah, fights where you can snap Shadowburns ala Horridon, it'll do well, but that is indeed a very niche situation.

    I like the Immolation giving guaranteed Embers solution - it'd essentially fill up Rain of Fire's function. Just make sure to limit it to only generate embers if it's on 1-3 targets, or something like that, so people can't exploit it (like anyone would keep hardcasting it, but yeah).

    @Werst: tbh Destruction has been pretty gimmicky this last tier - if you're exceptional with it you can do well, but in most normal situations you'd only use it on fights where you can abuse FnB (or snipe Shadowburns).
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    they do not want to compensate taking rof out of the single target rotation with another way to generate embers. they want to do it through numbers instead
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    They can buff Chaos Bolt for PvE, they'd just have to adjust the PvP modifier accordingly. They already said they don't want to increase Ember generation, but the starvation it's led to in AoE can't really stay; perhaps they could increase RoF Ember generation for the 2nd-3rd target it hits?

  5. #3145
    its incredibly simple to fix the ember generation, ive come up with ideas to bake it into backdraft, another way is to simply make FnB(to fix the ember starvation while aoeing that ppl are reporting) cheaper to use or generate more ember(cost 1 ember but generates 2 ember bits etc.), if blizz were even reading some of these pages they would have gotten plenty of ideas from a lot of different ppl that are usable and not in any way OP, ofc im in no way saying that these ideas will solve everything but for blizz in this situation its better for them to do something, rather than nothing and so far all we've seen from them is them doing nothing.
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    it would also be nice if the initial cast of immolate gave you emberbits, especially in ae situations
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    I'm sorry if my question may sound stupid but, as how I understand it Destruction is behind not only on single target, but it has its AOE crippled heavily by the ember generation loss. Can anyone, playing the PTR, confirm this is the case? I really enjoy Destro's AOE and I find it strange that Blizzard would cripple a spec so severely in every department, when the said spec was not stellar to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baalb View Post
    I'm sorry if my question may sound stupid but, as how I understand it Destruction is behind not only on single target, but it has its AOE crippled heavily by the ember generation loss. Can anyone, playing the PTR, confirm this is the case? I really enjoy Destro's AOE and I find it strange that Blizzard would cripple a spec so severely in every department, when the said spec was not stellar to begin with.
    Well when there are a lot of targets (like > 6) Destro is still among the top AoE specs obviously, but now this is only if the targets are in a small radius (since MF doesn't work anymore with FnB), and it is harder to keep the AoE rotation when you have limited targets (5-6-7, I haven't really tested how many is needed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baalb View Post
    I'm sorry if my question may sound stupid but, as how I understand it Destruction is behind not only on single target, but it has its AOE crippled heavily by the ember generation loss. Can anyone, playing the PTR, confirm this is the case? I really enjoy Destro's AOE and I find it strange that Blizzard would cripple a spec so severely in every department, when the said spec was not stellar to begin with.
    i havent really tested destro out myself, but ive also heard from ppl that they are currently incapable of maintaining aoe on 5 and below amount of targets, and that is from ppl i have no reason to doubt, so i would confirm it based on that.

    well it wasnt about crippling a spec as much as it was about fixing its single target rotation, having to use an aoe spell for single target dps is wrong and it shouldnt be used and atm they just havent given any compensation or fix for the issue, and im sure many of the ppl that play destro regularly made a sigh of relief when they heard the patch wasnt coming out until september 10 which would give blizz more time to fix destro's issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakers01 View Post
    I watched the midwinter garrosh fight today and the dest lock was third on a pull and the demo lock was 9th if I remember. Now granted that was one fight but they botrh seemed to in the top ten on others.
    So demo went from a top 3/5 spec to a top 10 spec.......yeah we are fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagecamia View Post
    So demo went from a top 3/5 spec to a top 10 spec.......yeah we are fine.

    /sarcasm
    I do wonder if we're not regarded as overpowered and overly useful next tier whether the jury will still be out as to whether the overhaul would be regarded as "successful". Until now, it's hard not to accept that being an 'outlier' was just compensation for the continual rollercoaster this expansion has been as a consequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    I do wonder if we're not regarded as overpowered and overly useful next tier whether the jury will still be out as to whether the overhaul would be regarded as "successful". Until now, it's hard not to accept that being an 'outlier' was just compensation for the continual rollercoaster this expansion has been as a consequence.
    It may change some people opinions if we are middle of the pack next tier but I wouldn't call us on a rollercoaster for MoP strictly from a PvE standpoint. While we have gotten a lot of changes and have had to adjust, assuming you are willing to play all 3 specs, we have been at the top or near it for the entirety of the expansion. Now, I personally think the overhaul was a success, but I am a MoP reroll, but I think Blizz is more thinking in terms of success not based on numbers in a raid environment or pvp ratings, like we would, but in % of wow playerbase who plays a lock. I haven't seen whether our % of the playerbase has increased or not since MoP started.

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    Since the end of T14 we have seen destro go from a strong spec (when we were all gearing from 500'ish to 525'ish in normal) to completely left in the dust by the time we were 535 and distant in the rearview by 550'ish/bis. The only times you did see destro competitive was when it was playing in the shadowburn/havoc niche but even with that niche it couldn't hang on over the gap between it and other specs. Now sure UVLS is taking it in the pooper with blizz going out of their way to break the demo synergy however aff needed no such gimmickry to say nothing of other classes.

    Its a sh** performing spec that took a major nerf in the name of mechanics that fubar'd its capability to aoe whilst cutting its single target ember generation 30%. In "compensation" we got 10% to immolate which is about 1% overall. Its primary and secondary stat scaling are behind with mechanics that further handcuff it. Even if they blanket buff numbers of ember consumers it still has the other mechanics issues plus the gimp set bonuses.

    Really the destro 4pc should have no ICD and simply be able to be "rolled" in that it can overwrite itself (but never stack on itself). The 2pc needs to be somewhere between 100% chance on crit if not 100% chance on hit....depending if they let conflag's recharge reduce/scale with haste or not. If you look at the potential power gains from those set bonuses they need a bump to compete. Right now long RNG on top of RNG and a inversely scaling buff just set destro up to fail to keep pace as gear/ilvl increases which is the primary issue with the spec to begin with.

    Demo I think will be okay with a crit > mastery > haste build...it just will not offspec well to anything. The KTT and cleave trinkets not impacting guardians is going to be rough and demo has no way to stack garrosh's trinket fully in its duration either. Even the amp trinket doesn't help pet/guardian crit multipliers which leaves only the isle trinket which has no heroic version.

    That in a nutshell is why it feels like we all are going to be going aff for the start of 5.4 but at least now we have a couple weeks to see what blizz does with things. Hopefully destro/demo get some fixes. Though I'm half expecting aff to get nerfed back down to destro's level so locks are "balanced" among each spec. Sooo...about those open raid/pug raids to farm for a heroic/htf wush?!? j/k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werst View Post
    Demo I think will be okay with a crit > mastery > haste build...it just will not offspec well to anything. The KTT and cleave trinkets not impacting guardians is going to be rough and demo has no way to stack garrosh's trinket fully in its duration either. Even the amp trinket doesn't help pet/guardian crit multipliers which leaves only the isle trinket which has no heroic version.
    They changed garrosh trinket to behave like wush, instead of increasing stack per spell cast. http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102310/b...ood-of-yshaarj

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    Hmm... what ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumzumzum View Post
    Wushoolay i541
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    Hmm... what ?

    Things like this give me little hope for the future.

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    Im so blaming You if they'll notice now. :<
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    We kind of need to face the facts with demo, it soared to the near top of the dps charts because of 1 single item. The spec is a middle of the pack spec without the abuse of UVLS.

    IMO the devs have some serious work to do for both Demo and Destro (more destro obv) to bring them up to speed with Affliction. A few posts back someone said something about nerfing affliction, they already did that. They decided we channeled too much and they want out focus to come from our dots. What do they do, buff the dots, nerf the channel, I have no issues with this. I do not think they are going to come right back and nerf dots again. The problem they have revolves around the beginning of this post, Affliction is standing at the forefront of the spec...alone. In 5.4 as it stands now I do not believe it has any competition from either of the two other specs, barring a fight with add waves that require quick bursting (demo) to kill.

    TL;DR Affliction is fine, Demo and Destro need some attention/love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasofrass View Post
    they do not want to compensate taking rof out of the single target rotation with another way to generate embers. they want to do it through numbers instead
    That about sums it up.

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    So how exactly did they nerf unerring for demo? Is the amp trinket going to replace it or be coupled with it. LS keeps being an asshole and won't drop a heroic one for me and my gold rolls are the best in the world.
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