If Incinirate gets buffed that would be the best pvp buff without braking it. CB is trash without CDs anyways, keeping high Incinirate pressure and using embers for shadowburn is the way to go how things might work well. So yeah, you guys can get incinirate buff for pve with no problem- at this point destro is pvp wise dead.But, buffing Incinerate too, could be a pvp concern aswell.
PvE is a minigame // Rerolled from affly to spriest after 8 years, thx pandaland changes
That's not really me, he copy/pasted one of my post from these forumsI noticed Zumzum has a thread going on the PTR forums as well.
Yeah maybe you can try to voice our cause a bit more on the official PTR forums. I never had any answer on Twitter.
PS: Wowhead has one change for locks, Imp's dispel is now 20 sec CD (10 before) and 1.5 sec cast (Instant before)
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What spec are people gonna be turning to when 5.4 hits? Just curious
I don't really think buffing Ember generation should be what we want, that plants our feet due to KjC and makes our Havoc cleave less potent (which we need a buff on).
I was going to start out by asking them for their official position on what they think of Destro post-RoF based on their testing and PTR testing results.
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Honestly, there should be zero issues with buffing CB damage as relates to PvP. As is, I'm pretty sure it's never worth casting in 5.4 arena (sans KC, 3 sec cast time, -25% hidden reduc, GoSac component = DoT). In 5.4 gear, a Dark Soul CB might hit for 30% of a players healthbar before damage reduction/absorbs? Factor in the now now stationary wind-up and the rest of the drawbacks, and the spell kills itself. Not to mention that embers are harder to come by thanks to RoF.
Destro pvp is going to just be FF/Conflag spam, occasional drafted incins depending on positioning, and gaming everything you have for Shadowburn snipes. The can buff the hell out of CB without hurting pvp in the slightest. Consequently, I'd rather see buffs to Conflag/Incin/FF coefs because of this.
I agree with Brusalk in the theory behind MF for destro. After the RoF change something needs to give. That and/or a fix relating to aoe sustainability of F&B use on say 4-6 targets (which is a very common grouping size).
My suggestions for destro are pretty simple but would fix quite a bit.
*Incin, conflag, FF (dest only) buffed 10% to match immolate
*Conflag's recharge reduced by haste rating
*Backdraft minor glyph trading 30% haste for 30% crit to incinerate
*Ember consumers buffed about 30%
*T16 4pc loses the ICD
*T16 2pc is 100% conflag crit or 30-33% conflag hit
Those are pretty standard. I would consider scraping the 2pc bonus for something like "each time you conflag you gain a stack of ____, at 5x stacks you gain a emberless shadowburn (or cb) useable at any HP". Could add a "can't proc or be used vs players" if its that much of a problem. I also still kind of feel like the RoF change exposes some fundamental flaws in the destro aoe system now that MF is a cooldown. So either Brusalk's suggestion or just make RoF "spellweave" cleave from each target it hits in its radius to other targets. This would give enough hits that a lower ember generation per hit is no problem but be useless for single target while allowing sustainability. Another "nice to have" would be a minor glyph for fel flame to trade its 5.4 14%'ish dmg gain for its old dot renewal allowing locks to pick their playstyle.
Clearly destro needs help in pvp too but there is just too much bias against the big green dildo of doom regardless of what other classes do in terms of burst....
Incinerate cast time and damage increased 10% is likely.
2.2s is not too long.
I'm back from hibernation and sad as buck. Excuse my lack of thread-related knowledge, but for now, I just glanced at the changes and would like to issue a bounty of 50.000 Gold to anyone who brings the person responsible for the KJC change to the middle of VoEB and shoots him in his right temple with a large caliber bullet. Not to QQ too much though, will do some soul-searching and decide, if my doubleaffli is the way to 5.4. Off to read the most of the thread.
Have a fine friday folks.
cast an incinerate in arena and you will see what is PVP's concern atmBut, buffing Incinerate too, could be a pvp concern aswell.
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