1. #3461
    Quote Originally Posted by Mkgego View Post
    Something to make Shadowburn // Chaos Bolt insta cast with no ember cost...

    Something to gain CD reset on Conflagrate...

    Chaos Bolt and Shadowburn affected by mastery ---> more powerful

    Don´t know

    chaos bolt and shadowburn already benefit from mastery (emberstorm)

  2. #3462
    Quote Originally Posted by Cebel View Post
    breaking news: destro is a shit spec, get over it, can we talk about anything other than destro being shit? jesus this thread has degraded into the biggest whinefest in 2013.... whining incessantly about it here isnt going to get it changed. Your best shot is to give GC what he wants, and thats logs from PTR tests.... so go do fucking PTR tests and show him.
    While your advice to go do PTR tests so Blizz has data is good, your backseat moderating about this thread's topics is not.

    If people want to discuss the 5.4 changes about Destro then they are perfectly within their rigths to do so. If all this Destro talk is getting to you I suggest you ignore those posts alltogether and concentrate on the posts that do interest you.
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  3. #3463
    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    While your advice to go do PTR tests so Blizz has data is good, your backseat moderating about this thread's topics is not.

    If people want to discuss the 5.4 changes about Destro then they are perfectly within their rigths to do so. If all this Destro talk is getting to you I suggest you ignore those posts alltogether and concentrate on the posts that do interest you.
    Well his point was that the posts that are not destro QQ are 1 every 3 pages. Ain't no one got time to browse that much. What exactly is the downside of having all these destruction suggestions/speculations/complaints in a different thread from the 5.4 changes?

    OT: destruction is still very strong on Immerseus, Galakras and very importantly Garrosh. ''But our single target is so bad!'' Why do you care, there are 2 fights in the whole tier that are close to single target...

  4. #3464
    Has anyone been testing affliction pvp on PTR? From the little bit I have seen on some streams, the damage is way over the top, and pressure every minute with dark soul is getting crazy cd's.

    Would love some feedback, as I would like to get a team lined up with my buddies, who all have various alts.

  5. #3465
    Quote Originally Posted by junn View Post
    Has anyone been testing affliction pvp on PTR? From the little bit I have seen on some streams, the damage is way over the top, and pressure every minute with dark soul is getting crazy cd's.

    Would love some feedback, as I would like to get a team lined up with my buddies, who all have various alts.
    Don't forget it's not every minute. You still have a 2m cooldown, you just get 1 extra DS somewhere. So you can only get one every minute for the first 3 minutes, after that you will have to wait 2 minutes like usual.

    Even so the new Soul Swap looks amazing to me in PvP, but I am not into it at all, so don't take my opinion too seriously

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    If we're going to have a separate destruction thread, then we should also have a separate pvp thread, because a) those posts do not concern me whatsoever, and b) for those it does concern, their posts get swallowed up in the sea of pve discussion.

  7. #3467
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidsteel View Post
    If we're going to have a separate destruction thread, then we should also have a separate pvp thread, because a) those posts do not concern me whatsoever, and b) for those it does concern, their posts get swallowed up in the sea of pve discussion.
    True enough, I don't see why the whole forum has to be stashed in this one thread in the first place I mean basically all the other threads that are not stickies are trash, because anything interesting belongs to 5.4 discussion.

  8. #3468
    Quote Originally Posted by strmstrike View Post
    True enough, I don't see why the whole forum has to be stashed in this one thread in the first place I mean basically all the other threads that are not stickies are trash, because anything interesting belongs to 5.4 discussion.
    There should be 3 threads next time as the 3 specs are totaly diferent.

    90% of this thread is about destro, some ppl want to discuss demo and/or aff but it gets lost becuase after that there is 5 replies about destro..destro..destro... and then it gets buried.
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    In all fairness, it's only been the past 10 or 20 or whatever pages that have been primarily about destro. The rest of the thread had a healthy balance.

    In any case, the main reason is that affliction and demonology are looking decent enough going into the next patch. Affliction is doing great actually, and will continue to grab haste/mastery, so what more is there to discuss?

    Demonology is also doing okish, we just need a bit more testing to really determine how much of a benefit going crit demo is, or if we can wing it with a haste/mastery setup and perhaps only reforge into crit (as opposed to stacking crit gems and grabbing crit heavy gear).

    Destruction however, is in a complete state of meltdown, and with patch so close, people are obviously a bit on edge wondering if the spec will be viable, what sort of stats it will want, etc etc. If you want to talk about affliction/demo go ahead, but don't complain that the posts being made bore you when you don't have anything to add yourself.

  10. #3470
    Quote Originally Posted by strmstrike View Post
    Don't forget it's not every minute. You still have a 2m cooldown, you just get 1 extra DS somewhere. So you can only get one every minute for the first 3 minutes, after that you will have to wait 2 minutes like usual.

    Even so the new Soul Swap looks amazing to me in PvP, but I am not into it at all, so don't take my opinion too seriously
    Is this correct? I think if you manage it you can use it every 1 minute (with your pvp trinket).

    0 - DS1
    1min - DS2. DS1 has already recharged for 1 minute.
    2min - DS1. DS2 has already recharged for 1 minute
    3min - DS2. etc.

    Am I mistaken?

    Regarding soul swap, am I correct it no longer has a cd? I can SB:SS my first target, and then normal SS all other targets with my dark soul dots? It also copies their power and duration, so I could make sure I am copying max duration DS dots (make sure i refresh them using pandemic to long durations) and then move them to eveyrthing. That has interesting potential.

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    The charges don't recharge at the same time, ever used Conflagrate or Hand of Gul'dan ?
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  12. #3472
    Just curious, How far behind is Destro falling? I haven't had a chance to mess around on the ptr at all. I am so so with demo and would love to run Affl / Destro specs.

    We got the Rof ember gen nerf, IIRC there was a 10% immolate buff, but destro was already scaling more poorly than the other two specs.

  13. #3473
    Quote Originally Posted by Zumzumzum View Post
    The charges don't recharge at the same time, ever used Conflagrate or Hand of Gul'dan ?
    I have barely played anything other than affliction....

    I guess AD isnt as good as I thought. Still though, being able to use it out the gates and at the 1 minute mark is pretty strong.

    Still no pvp'ers trying affliction?

  14. #3474
    I have been playing around on the PTR. After trying every spec, I conclude that Affliction for now is the top dps with demo closely behind. I found that destruction was 60k or more behind the two on single target with the mastery/haste build, I also tried a crit/mastery build and it was no better. Feels as if demonology's burst has been nerfed and stabilized, though the 4 set bonus on tier 16 isn't that great for demo it helps sustain dps. I will be raiding as demo although it is not the highest damage/dps at the moment. I believe there is something that can be done with destruction because there are many options. An example would be to make conflagrate always crit, this allows the 2 set to greatly increase destuction's dps.

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    I have been playing around on the PTR. After trying every spec, I conclude that Affliction for now is the top dps with demo closely behind. I found that destruction was 60k or more behind the two on single target with the mastery/haste build, I also tried a crit/mastery build and it was no better. Feels as if demonology's burst has been nerfed and stabilized, though the 4 set bonus on tier 16 isn't that great for demo it helps sustain dps. I will be raiding as demo although it is not the highest damage/dps at the moment. I believe there is something that can be done with destruction because there are many options.
    60k ?
    On a target dummy ?

    An example would be to make conflagrate always crit, this allows the 2 set to greatly increase destuction's dps.
    I think non-warlock PvP players would not appreciate that fix
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  16. #3476
    Quote Originally Posted by junn View Post
    Is this correct? I think if you manage it you can use it every 1 minute (with your pvp trinket).

    0 - DS1
    1min - DS2. DS1 has already recharged for 1 minute.
    2min - DS1. DS2 has already recharged for 1 minute
    3min - DS2. etc.

    Am I mistaken?

    Regarding soul swap, am I correct it no longer has a cd? I can SB:SS my first target, and then normal SS all other targets with my dark soul dots? It also copies their power and duration, so I could make sure I am copying max duration DS dots (make sure i refresh them using pandemic to long durations) and then move them to eveyrthing. That has interesting potential.
    You're right about Soul Swap, you can put full power + duration dots on one target and spend 2 GCDs per additional target to spread them. They are instant casts as well.

  17. #3477
    Affliction multi dotting is by far the best and depending on procs or cds its demand add burst can be the best as well
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  18. #3478
    Quote Originally Posted by junn View Post
    Still no pvp'ers trying affliction?
    It's kinda up in the air. There is almost always zero meaningful pvp testing on the PTR, and the one scheduled focused testing session they had was before the Resil/BF changes. So basically, the meta game is a giant bowl of mystery.

    For Aff, the question boils down to - "Are we too squishy with the gateway/FelArmor changes?". I honestly think it's a bigtime YES, but I hope I'm wrong. We already need to pop every defensive in the world when a Feral/Hunter/Ret look our way and having to wait an extra 30 sec on gateway as an escape with +10%dmg taken is pretty huge. Also, our unfearable friends, Warriors, are apparently looking very scary on the PTR, which hurts us in the meta game too.

    On the bright side, we have some pretty nice burst on teams that can peel for us (pretty sure we will be limited to Rogues/Mages for this reason). And AD DS will allow us to DS/Orb or DS/Dance on an open and then do it again 60 sec later while enemy trinkets are still down.


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  19. #3479
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothmeduso View Post
    An example would be to make conflagrate always crit, this allows the 2 set to greatly increase destuction's dps.
    I cant see that working. I think they could Bake in a bonus ember gain during the 10 sec's of MF's extra damage or they could work in pet ember bit gains (1 tick per pet crit).

    They cant just toss Ember regen back into single target or they will wind up being hypocrites. Increasing ember regen on single target would cause issues with FnB.

    They could mess with ember regen on conflags that might help a bit.

    I liked Werst's idea of a minor glyph for conflag to switch the benefit to crit over haste but too late (again) to test that idea.

    Most of the idea's worth testing in fact could not be implemented now but some light buffs on a few spots could still go a long ways.

  20. #3480
    How would better ember regen on single target cause issues with FnB?

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