1. #3481
    I forgot to log my work on Norushen today. I saw my pet got 50% corruption and it was static the entire time. My question is... do guardians i.e Doomguard or Primal Elemental get effected by 50% corruption.
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  2. #3482
    Quote Originally Posted by pokeadott View Post
    It's kinda up in the air. There is almost always zero meaningful pvp testing on the PTR, and the one scheduled focused testing session they had was before the Resil/BF changes. So basically, the meta game is a giant bowl of mystery.

    For Aff, the question boils down to - "Are we too squishy with the gateway/FelArmor changes?". I honestly think it's a bigtime YES, but I hope I'm wrong. We already need to pop every defensive in the world when a Feral/Hunter/Ret look our way and having to wait an extra 30 sec on gateway as an escape with +10%dmg taken is pretty huge. Also, our unfearable friends, Warriors, are apparently looking very scary on the PTR, which hurts us in the meta game too.

    On the bright side, we have some pretty nice burst on teams that can peel for us (pretty sure we will be limited to Rogues/Mages for this reason). And AD DS will allow us to DS/Orb or DS/Dance on an open and then do it again 60 sec later while enemy trinkets are still down.


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    If you can keep your pet alive + soul link we'll be tanky. If we cant, we'll be on the squishy side. If our damage is as ridiculously high as I think its going to be, gemming resil might be a legit strategy to get that tankiness.

    With the ilvl only creeping up, for the first few weeks I would imagine we would be tanky enough. 65%-72% is effectively 21% less dmg, with the trinket difference offsetting our lost 10% reduction.

    Excited to try it out!

  3. #3483
    fel armor need a buff, a +60% armor contribution (and recalibrate nether plating, of course)?

  4. #3484
    Quote Originally Posted by icedlight View Post
    I cant see that working. I think they could Bake in a bonus ember gain during the 10 sec's of MF's extra damage or they could work in pet ember bit gains (1 tick per pet crit).

    They cant just toss Ember regen back into single target or they will wind up being hypocrites. Increasing ember regen on single target would cause issues with FnB.

    They could mess with ember regen on conflags that might help a bit.

    I liked Werst's idea of a minor glyph for conflag to switch the benefit to crit over haste but too late (again) to test that idea.

    Most of the idea's worth testing in fact could not be implemented now but some light buffs on a few spots could still go a long ways.
    uhm, in what way would they be hypocrites if they toss ember regen into single target? afaik that would only happen if they would add RoF back into single target dps which they shouldnt, there are plenty of ways to add ember regen single target without it affecting anything else. also just to be clear, atm FnB is rather clunky and is only maintainable on 5 or 6+ targets which is something that needs changing as well.

    and conflag wouldnt really affect ember regen much, now if you meant changing backdraft to generate more embers while its up, you'd be right.

  5. #3485
    Quote Originally Posted by rijn dael View Post
    14 days left to be fixed, starting to feel like a feature :P
    If 4 piece Demo T16 intendedly consumed our Demonic Fury and HoG stacks to cast a Chaos Wave in meta, or consumed a HoG stack to cast HoG out of meta..... dear lord worst set bonus ever.

    ... but I highly doubt it was meant to be intended, that is beyond retarded if it is

  6. #3486
    Quote Originally Posted by almara2512 View Post
    uhm, in what way would they be hypocrites if they toss ember regen into single target? afaik that would only happen if they would add RoF back into single target dps which they shouldnt, there are plenty of ways to add ember regen single target without it affecting anything else. also just to be clear, atm FnB is rather clunky and is only maintainable on 5 or 6+ targets which is something that needs changing as well.

    and conflag wouldnt really affect ember regen much, now if you meant changing backdraft to generate more embers while its up, you'd be right.
    Based on the Destro sweet spot of 5.3 of spamming CB's mainly in fights with a lot of mobs, a lot of fights in SoO seem to have ...pockets of adds (4-6) here and there if you say just for example increase ember regen on incinerate; would that not increase the effectiveness of FnB on small groups due to increased regen? Don't get me wrong I want to see a fix but the more I look at the changes the more I see the RoF change as being more of a two-fold choice.

    If they would have originally changed the mechanic of RoF ember regen as opposed to reducing the regen so that it was most effective on 4-10 but the ember regen remained the same on 4 adds in 5.4 as it is in 5.3 then Destro would be able to spam CB's once again.

    I am not suggesting I like where Destro is, I don't.

    As far as ember regen is concerned they have really been pressing on not increasing that in any significant way. Realistically they don't seem to have time for Destro at the moment so really just hoping for another small damage buff so we remain competitive up to a certain point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizelda View Post
    How would better ember regen on single target cause issues with FnB?
    It's the change to rain of fire. It generates a ton less embers, so it's not used single target (which is a huge nerf). Now, because of the change, on 5 targets rain of fire isn't generating enough embers to keep up with your FnB aoe. It gets turned off and you have to cast something single target to turn it back on. Very clunky game play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroxo View Post
    If 4 piece Demo T16 intendedly consumed our Demonic Fury and HoG stacks to cast a Chaos Wave in meta, or consumed a HoG stack to cast HoG out of meta..... dear lord worst set bonus ever.
    Is this still the case on the ptr?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    Is this still the case on the ptr?
    yes. 10chars

  10. #3490
    Quote Originally Posted by icedlight View Post

    They cant just toss Ember regen back into single target or they will wind up being hypocrites. Increasing ember regen on single target would cause issues with FnB.
    This is what I didn't understand.

  11. #3491
    Since the T16x4 bonus is designed to scale inversely with ember generation spikes/gear I'd think they don't want destro having 30% extra generation. Unfortunately that leaves the spec so far behind as to be non competitive outside of niches where it can snipe shadowburns and/or havoc them onto other targets. It also makes aoe of 4-6 targets unsustainable (gg on aoe change) so it really limits destro's niche even further.

    The demo bonus really needs a fix before live...it should not charge DF nor expend charges. May just roll with the soulfire bonus and call it a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    Is this still the case on the ptr?
    Been posting week after week about this in the bug report. Their lack of response tells me two things: 1. they don't care and have bigger things to fix. and 2. It is intended....

    Good thing I am tanking this tier. Their response to our issues and the fact that they aren't doing shit is getting pretty old.

    It would be fun to see how they judge the revamp at the end of the expac. Like i said earlier, maybe it's not the warlock class that has the issues but more so the damn developers behind the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroxo View Post
    If 4 piece Demo T16 intendedly consumed our Demonic Fury and HoG stacks to cast a Chaos Wave in meta, or consumed a HoG stack to cast HoG out of meta..... dear lord worst set bonus ever.

    ... but I highly doubt it was meant to be intended, that is beyond retarded if it is
    I tweeted GC regarding this change/bug and whether it is intended or not.....hope he sees it.

  13. #3493
    This patch is looking very grim for warlocks

    For every small buff/fix comes atleast 3 nerfs/negative redesigns

  14. #3494
    I would love to see for PVP, destro locks get the piercing CB back, maybe off a proc. IMO there was no more satisfying kill than destroying a dk through his AM shield.
    For PVE, they could maybe incorporate a proc for a visually exciting CB that does significantly more damage than norm for a greater mana amount 50% for eg.

  15. #3495
    ok guys calm down. ive followed the discussion for the last 20 pages. nobody is forcing you to play the highest dps spec when 5.4 drops, but if you want to do max damage you have to play affliction. other class specs always have the problem that 1 spec is completly broken (look at MM hunters in 5.2).

  16. #3496
    Quote Originally Posted by parayok View Post
    nobody is forcing you to play the highest dps spec when 5.4 drops
    yeah, but the week afterwards when heroic content starts. and do you know who is forcing me? It´s me! And I think its the same with every single guy in this thread, since they won´t complain about destro beeing to low if they don´t actually care about getting the best out of their class.

  17. #3497
    yes but when you wanna do the maximum dps you have to play affliction, similar to play demo in 5.2/5.3. although i rather play affliction i had to change spec to demonology for maximum dps on most bosses. now you have to spec to affliction from destru.

    maybe next expansion we have to spec from affliction to destruction for maximum dps.
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    You have a point parayok, especially earlier about MM hunters being bottom of the barrel, but then in all fairness warlocks received a complete overhaul this expansion so people would expect that the specs play within reasonable distances of eachother.

    Also, destruction warlocks were explicitly told that the removal of embers from RoF would be compensated for with damage buffs elsewhere, which has only been acted upon with a pitiful 10% buff to immolate.

    I'm confident we will see a buff to destruction, I'm just concerned it will leave too little time to test.



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  19. #3499
    Agree with Parayok. There is always a strongest spec.
    It's just the spec most people like (destro) does not seem viable on all fights.
    However, as cabana mentionned, there are fights where it is still strong in SoO. It is just situational.

    Edit: Do not be confident about a buff to destro. It probaly won't happen; it might happen. There was a buff already, i don't see why Blizzard / GC would add another one before things go live after reading their tweets. They are "keeping an eye on Destro", therefore i don't think it'll get buffs before the patch goes live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    Agree with Parayok. There is always a strongest spec.
    It's just the spec most people like (destro) does not seem viable on all fights.
    However, as cabana mentionned, there are fights where it is still strong in SoO. It is just situational.

    Edit: Do not be confident about a buff to destro. It probaly won't happen; it might happen. There was a buff already, i don't see why Blizzard / GC would add another one before things go live after reading their tweets. They are "keeping an eye on Destro", therefore i don't think it'll get buffs before the patch goes live.
    Are you talking about the 10% immolate buff? That really is the most miniscule of changes. Its not even worth thinking about, im sure it works out to a 0.5% increase in damage or something.
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