1. #3861
    My problem with Demo's "burst aoe" is that it, more so I feel than the other specs, requires sacrificing your single-target in preparation for it.

    Now, this is from my previous experience with Aff and Destro and my current experience of Demo. Ember generation nerf and the Nightfall change probably mean those two specs are sacrificing more for their aoe than they used to, so I'll have to do some experimenting to see how it still holds up ... but with Demo, stockpiling HoG/CW charges for upcoming aoe and fury spent on ImmoAura, and possibly holding Service: Felguard are significant investments ...
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  2. #3862
    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    My problem with Demo's "burst aoe" is that it, more so I feel than the other specs, requires sacrificing your single-target in preparation for it.

    Now, this is from my previous experience with Aff and Destro and my current experience of Demo. Ember generation nerf and the Nightfall change probably mean those two specs are sacrificing more for their aoe than they used to, so I'll have to do some experimenting to see how it still holds up ... but with Demo, stockpiling HoG/CW charges for upcoming aoe and fury spent on ImmoAura, and possibly holding Service: Felguard are significant investments ...
    If you really want to burst AoE as Affliction, you would have to take MF. That sacrifices a lot of damage by lacking AD.

    Still I don't believe there will be a single fight where Affliction does not win, or at worst is tied depending on the situation of your raid. It's looking like the best spec among all classes for boss damage by a long shot, and shortening fights that significantly will always be a huge benefit.

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    If you really want to burst AoE as Affliction, you would have to take MF. That sacrifices a lot of damage by lacking AD.

    Still I don't believe there will be a single fight where Affliction does not win, or at worst is tied depending on the situation of your raid. It's looking like the best spec among all classes for boss damage by a long shot, and shortening fights that significantly will always be a huge benefit.
    Then perhaps we should all enjoy it during the first week before the nerf bat comes by
    If it is so much more powerful than anything else they won't let it through.
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  4. #3864
    Quote Originally Posted by Zumzumzum View Post
    Then perhaps we should all enjoy it during the first week before the nerf bat comes by
    If it is so much more powerful than anything else they won't let it through.
    I don't think its going to be so over the top that it requires a nerf bat. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
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  5. #3865
    There's still a chance for patch-day nerfs.

  6. #3866
    Quote Originally Posted by Rethul Ur No View Post
    There's still a chance for patch-day nerfs.
    this is what i'm afraid of. =x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasukan View Post
    I don't think its going to be so over the top that it requires a nerf bat. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
    Basically this.. I know it is looking incredibly strong but still. Don't count the nerf bats until they hatch.. or swing..
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  8. #3868
    Aff is in a good place right now, sure. But I really don't like it when people say that it will outperform both other specs on every fight. I realize that it is "situation dependent", but RaidBots will have an interesting story to tell once the sample size is large enough. *coughdemocough*

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    I was just reading through the patch notes. I thought Soul Leech was capping out at 30% total hp in 5.4, but it seems the patch notes say 15%. Did I miss something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    I was just reading through the patch notes. I thought Soul Leech was capping out at 30% total hp in 5.4, but it seems the patch notes say 15%. Did I miss something?
    yeah, afaik it was 30% early in the ptr but got another nerf to 15%.

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    The patch notes are unclear about Soul Link in combination with GoSac. Does anyone know how GoSac changes Soul Link in 5.4 ?
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    The patch notes are unclear about Soul Link in combination with GoSac. Does anyone know how GoSac changes Soul Link in 5.4 ?
    It's the same as live, you get 20% extra health instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almara2512 View Post
    yeah, afaik it was 30% early in the ptr but got another nerf to 15%.
    Well, shoot.
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    Affliction and Demo will both be strong, destruction I am a little uneasy about but I guess we'll have to see how that works. With the changes to the rppm trinkets, it does bring down the value of haste for all specs and, who knows, maybe with all the multitarget bosses and the new gear it might not be that bad.... lol...

  15. #3875
    What i'm curious about and i can't seem to find a straight awnser anywhere is, if there is some "hard proof" what the highest DPS spec is going to be and what most likely the stat prio is going to be ?
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  16. #3876
    Well the current "hard proof" all ptr has been to log your attempts on bosses and to compare Aff v. Demo. Since most PTR logs are set to private it hasn't really been important to post it on MMO forums. You can test yourself on a PTR training dummy. 3 mins of Aff v. 3 mins of Demo. Affliction looks like it's going to be the highest DPS spec and I get the most out if it going for 9778 and stacking all mastery.
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  17. #3877
    Quote Originally Posted by Zumzumzum View Post
    Then perhaps we should all enjoy it during the first week before the nerf bat comes by
    If it is so much more powerful than anything else they won't let it through.
    Its more powerfull than demo, its not more powerfull than a Bladestorm Warrior also on 1min CD and Deepwounds got a huge buff.
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  18. #3878
    With "going for 9778" then Mastery i take it you're referring to Haste right ?

  19. #3879
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirjeize View Post
    With "going for 9778" then Mastery i take it you're referring to Haste right ?
    Yes, it's the haste required to get to the +4 agony break point.
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  20. #3880
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellfury View Post
    Its more powerfull than demo, its not more powerfull than a Bladestorm Warrior also on 1min CD and Deepwounds got a huge buff.
    I feel like you are talking about AoE, while the comment you quoted is about single target. On a single target, and even more so on things like Protectors (3 mobs that are not stacked and stay almost the whole fight), Affliction is insane.

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