1. #3861
    Quote Originally Posted by Moruff View Post
    Gentlemen... what's all this hubbub about really? Are we saying HTF Wush > UVLS? Are we trying to figure out what the best trinkets are for normals? What loot to push to receive from loot council? What is going to be best for heroic progression?

    I'm of the school that your gameplay is going to outweigh your trinket chocie in basically every case. Of course, your trinket is going to contribute to success, but to a much lesser extent. Aren't the best players going to reforge/regem every time they get to a cockblock progression fight? Aren't you going to use a different trinket then depending on the fight? Is simcraft telling you that UVLS > HTF Wush by 300 dps? That doesn't mean much really. Sorry for the rant, but people get so steamed about what simcraft tells us and how to reforge and gem etc. What happened to the days when people talked about how to do fights better?
    I'm from the exact same place you are. I'll end up running demo every fight we because my comp will have plenty of multi dotters, but a lack of burst AoE. Everyone is gearing for a boss that doesn't exist, where no movement is involved and a computer plays the game for you.

  2. #3862
    My problem with Demo's "burst aoe" is that it, more so I feel than the other specs, requires sacrificing your single-target in preparation for it.

    Now, this is from my previous experience with Aff and Destro and my current experience of Demo. Ember generation nerf and the Nightfall change probably mean those two specs are sacrificing more for their aoe than they used to, so I'll have to do some experimenting to see how it still holds up ... but with Demo, stockpiling HoG/CW charges for upcoming aoe and fury spent on ImmoAura, and possibly holding Service: Felguard are significant investments ...

  3. #3863
    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    My problem with Demo's "burst aoe" is that it, more so I feel than the other specs, requires sacrificing your single-target in preparation for it.

    Now, this is from my previous experience with Aff and Destro and my current experience of Demo. Ember generation nerf and the Nightfall change probably mean those two specs are sacrificing more for their aoe than they used to, so I'll have to do some experimenting to see how it still holds up ... but with Demo, stockpiling HoG/CW charges for upcoming aoe and fury spent on ImmoAura, and possibly holding Service: Felguard are significant investments ...
    If you really want to burst AoE as Affliction, you would have to take MF. That sacrifices a lot of damage by lacking AD.

    Still I don't believe there will be a single fight where Affliction does not win, or at worst is tied depending on the situation of your raid. It's looking like the best spec among all classes for boss damage by a long shot, and shortening fights that significantly will always be a huge benefit.

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    If you really want to burst AoE as Affliction, you would have to take MF. That sacrifices a lot of damage by lacking AD.

    Still I don't believe there will be a single fight where Affliction does not win, or at worst is tied depending on the situation of your raid. It's looking like the best spec among all classes for boss damage by a long shot, and shortening fights that significantly will always be a huge benefit.
    Then perhaps we should all enjoy it during the first week before the nerf bat comes by
    If it is so much more powerful than anything else they won't let it through.
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  5. #3865
    Quote Originally Posted by Zumzumzum View Post
    Then perhaps we should all enjoy it during the first week before the nerf bat comes by
    If it is so much more powerful than anything else they won't let it through.
    I don't think its going to be so over the top that it requires a nerf bat. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
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  6. #3866
    There's still a chance for patch-day nerfs.

  7. #3867
    Quote Originally Posted by Rethul Ur No View Post
    There's still a chance for patch-day nerfs.
    this is what i'm afraid of. =x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasukan View Post
    I don't think its going to be so over the top that it requires a nerf bat. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
    Basically this.. I know it is looking incredibly strong but still. Don't count the nerf bats until they hatch.. or swing..
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  9. #3869
    Aff is in a good place right now, sure. But I really don't like it when people say that it will outperform both other specs on every fight. I realize that it is "situation dependent", but RaidBots will have an interesting story to tell once the sample size is large enough. *coughdemocough*

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    I was just reading through the patch notes. I thought Soul Leech was capping out at 30% total hp in 5.4, but it seems the patch notes say 15%. Did I miss something?

  11. #3871
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    I was just reading through the patch notes. I thought Soul Leech was capping out at 30% total hp in 5.4, but it seems the patch notes say 15%. Did I miss something?
    yeah, afaik it was 30% early in the ptr but got another nerf to 15%.

  12. #3872
    The patch notes are unclear about Soul Link in combination with GoSac. Does anyone know how GoSac changes Soul Link in 5.4 ?

  13. #3873
    Quote Originally Posted by DenniZ View Post
    The patch notes are unclear about Soul Link in combination with GoSac. Does anyone know how GoSac changes Soul Link in 5.4 ?
    It's the same as live, you get 20% extra health instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almara2512 View Post
    yeah, afaik it was 30% early in the ptr but got another nerf to 15%.
    Well, shoot.

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    Affliction and Demo will both be strong, destruction I am a little uneasy about but I guess we'll have to see how that works. With the changes to the rppm trinkets, it does bring down the value of haste for all specs and, who knows, maybe with all the multitarget bosses and the new gear it might not be that bad.... lol...
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  16. #3876
    What i'm curious about and i can't seem to find a straight awnser anywhere is, if there is some "hard proof" what the highest DPS spec is going to be and what most likely the stat prio is going to be ?
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  17. #3877
    Well the current "hard proof" all ptr has been to log your attempts on bosses and to compare Aff v. Demo. Since most PTR logs are set to private it hasn't really been important to post it on MMO forums. You can test yourself on a PTR training dummy. 3 mins of Aff v. 3 mins of Demo. Affliction looks like it's going to be the highest DPS spec and I get the most out if it going for 9778 and stacking all mastery.
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  18. #3878
    Quote Originally Posted by Zumzumzum View Post
    Then perhaps we should all enjoy it during the first week before the nerf bat comes by
    If it is so much more powerful than anything else they won't let it through.
    Its more powerfull than demo, its not more powerfull than a Bladestorm Warrior also on 1min CD and Deepwounds got a huge buff.
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  19. #3879
    With "going for 9778" then Mastery i take it you're referring to Haste right ?

  20. #3880
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirjeize View Post
    With "going for 9778" then Mastery i take it you're referring to Haste right ?
    Yes, it's the haste required to get to the +4 agony break point.
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