1. #4141
    Quote Originally Posted by esatikkane View Post
    and it doesn't exhale anything(might be remembering wrong).
    That happened to me too! Was kind of funny, because I actually pulled new mobs (while grinding rep) with exhale.. without actually doing anything to them. I exhaled an empty "thing" to the mob and aggroed and tagged it in the process.

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    I've mostly been playing destro/demo this tier and will propably continue doing so for rest of the progress, depending on how heroic garrosh'll look.

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    Just random post:

    There has been a lot of discussion about the whole imp swarm being totally situational and all, and I wanted to see how i would perform without it.

    Was messing around with sims, glyph and grimoire combinations, and different stat combinations. Found out that hitting the 14873 shadowflame cap, and dropping glyph of imp swarm gave me a significant dps boost (going of sims alone, 10-11k). Ive been contemplating dropping imp swarm, since 5.4 hit, but just seemed to lose dps with my mastery build.

    Last night after doing some more testing and joining a flex group to see how it would function, my imp counter counted 14 extra imps throughout the sha of pride fight without the glyph with my high haste.

    Just wandering if people have been trying this and what their experience is with it. Going to try it out in normal raid tomorrow to see how it compares.

    And I know this has been discussed in this topic before, but I havent see anything since 5.4 went live.

  5. #4145
    Quote Originally Posted by Caides View Post
    There are a few issues I've ran into with using Soul Swap.
    If you apply your dots with UVLS procced at a certain duration, you basically get a "crit pandemic" and you're able to get a 54 second crit agony, and I didn't notice the other 2 dot durations to see if they were affected. Something else I've noticed is with Bindings trinket proc, sometimes using SB:SS to try and refresh my current dots will ONLY refresh Corruption with the updated power, and I can literally SB:SS 3+ times and it will not update UA+Agony so I have to manually cast them. I'm not sure what is causing it. Yes I'm hit capped, etc.
    Definitely had this happen on Garrosh last night.

    Kind of stopped me in tracks until I recalled this post. Checked dot debuffs on target, just to make sure AffDots wasn't failing me and can confirm.

  6. #4146
    I'm really at a loss for what to do this tier. have played each spec, Affliction is probably my least favourite 'lock spec and Demo is simming 25k higher than Affliction for me at 550 item level, but I really (REALLY) hate the UVLS playstyle because of dumb dumb dumb RNG. I wish they'd nerfed the trinket and buffed Demo accordingly. so I play Affliction but it's pretty annoying with all four of our Hunters spanking out 260k single target DPS with like 4 buttons. bleh, I don't even like the raid much.
    I think i can give up choose talent in this level?
    because if i am not choose this level。 i can have 20% blood more than choosen..
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  7. #4147
    Quote Originally Posted by squidbear View Post
    I'm really at a loss for what to do this tier. have played each spec, Affliction is probably my least favourite 'lock spec and Demo is simming 25k higher than Affliction for me at 550 item level, but I really (REALLY) hate the UVLS playstyle because of dumb dumb dumb RNG. I wish they'd nerfed the trinket and buffed Demo accordingly. so I play Affliction but it's pretty annoying with all four of our Hunters spanking out 260k single target DPS with like 4 buttons. bleh, I don't even like the raid much.
    Affliction is very strong with strong int proc trinkets. When you get trinket like BBoY(or HC TF Wush) you should easily be able to beat hunters in single target damage and it's not like our spec is harder than hunters are. And when there are more than one target, affliction is pretty broken.
    For example our Malkorok HC kill I win every other dps by quite huge margin.
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=10349&e=10692

  8. #4148
    Quote Originally Posted by squidbear View Post
    I'm really at a loss for what to do this tier. have played each spec, Affliction is probably my least favourite 'lock spec and Demo is simming 25k higher than Affliction for me at 550 item level, but I really (REALLY) hate the UVLS playstyle because of dumb dumb dumb RNG. I wish they'd nerfed the trinket and buffed Demo accordingly. so I play Affliction but it's pretty annoying with all four of our Hunters spanking out 260k single target DPS with like 4 buttons. bleh, I don't even like the raid much.
    1. Play what you like and what you can be successful at. Unless you run in one of the top 10 guilds in the world your spec choice isn't all that relevant to progression.
    2. Stop worrying about the "expected" dps from sims. They are useful for stat weightings and comparing gear choices within a given spec. They are awful at consistently predicting where specs should perform with the precision people ascribe to them. They really really don't tell you how much dps you can/should do. Really.

  9. #4149
    Quote Originally Posted by esatikkane View Post
    Affliction is very strong with strong int proc trinkets. When you get trinket like BBoY(or HC TF Wush) you should easily be able to beat hunters in single target damage and it's not like our spec is harder than hunters are. And when there are more than one target, affliction is pretty broken.
    For example our Malkorok HC kill I win every other dps by quite huge margin.
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=10349&e=10692
    meh, I coined Council every week and didn't even see the regular HC Wush drop once. I'm using 561 Bindings and 548 KTT atm so I guess I'm lacking the heavy intellect procs that make Affliction strong. I'll stick at it, 11/14 currently so hopefully Garrosh drops a BBoY for me. thanks for the link, makes me feel more confident once some gear comes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Turturin the Warlock View Post
    1. Play what you like and what you can be successful at. Unless you run in one of the top 10 guilds in the world your spec choice isn't all that relevant to progression.
    2. Stop worrying about the "expected" dps from sims. They are useful for stat weightings and comparing gear choices within a given spec. They are awful at consistently predicting where specs should perform with the precision people ascribe to them. They really really don't tell you how much dps you can/should do. Really.
    I am fine at what I play regardless of spec. maybe I'm not work top 10 but I like to rank and I like to be #1 dps in the raid every time, it's what I enjoy about raiding more than anything. i only mentioned the sims because Demo is still so superior to Affliction on single target in my gear that I feel like I'm doing something wrong.
    I think i can give up choose talent in this level?
    because if i am not choose this level。 i can have 20% blood more than choosen..
    GREAT BLZ.
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  10. #4150
    https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...50448750522368

    While not exactly surprising, our damage thus far this tier is definitely on developers' radars. I wonder what might happen in the future.

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  12. #4152
    Feel free to hate me, but I'd be damned glad if all they did was nerf UVLS. Especially since I dislike the playstyle that goes with it and relying on a proc like that.

  13. #4153
    Quote Originally Posted by Muoric View Post
    Feel free to hate me, but I'd be damned glad if all they did was nerf UVLS. Especially since I dislike the playstyle that goes with it and relying on a proc like that.
    Word, I would feel a big relief if they finally nerfed it the ground. We've had enough fun with it already.

  14. #4154
    I've heard rumors of a 40% proc chance nerf to UVLS, 5% haunt nerf, some sort of imps nerf, and a destro buff going up shortly.
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  15. #4155
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyner View Post
    I've heard rumors of a 40% proc chance nerf to UVLS, 5% haunt nerf, some sort of imps nerf, and a destro buff going up shortly.
    Would love the Destro buff. I don't think they need to nerf Imps if they're nerfing UVLS at the same time. Kind of expect a UVLS nerf considering it's still more powerful than new-tier trinkets for Demo.

  16. #4156
    Quote Originally Posted by Nardale View Post
    https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...50448750522368

    While not exactly surprising, our damage thus far this tier is definitely on developers' radars. I wonder what might happen in the future.
    Hope nobody tells that rogue that even with stupidly-strong DoT snapshotting Locks doing well, that Mut Rogues are right up our asses in a lot of Siege Encounters. That's pretty good for a spec that you could teach your dog to play.....and I'm not even talking about the smart dog breeds.
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    They're blaming mainly UVLS, not high int trinkets? Interesting.

  18. #4158
    Quote Originally Posted by Nardale View Post
    https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...50448750522368

    While not exactly surprising, our damage thus far this tier is definitely on developers' radars. I wonder what might happen in the future.
    So what about Assassin/BM which destroys everything single target including Aff? Multi target with UVLS snapshot yeah I understand but just nerf the trinket then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varren View Post
    So what about Assassin/BM which destroys everything single target including Aff? Multi target with UVLS snapshot yeah I understand but just nerf the trinket then.
    The issue lies with soul swap more than any single trinket. Any decent set of procs will behave exactly the same, and going forward all classes can look forward to having the strength of trinket procs limited by soul swap unless it changes. Note - strength as in actual numeric value not how good the trinket is.

    As far as demo and UVLS goes, I'd say it's probably fine now. It's a damned good trinket for demo, but it's hardly responsible for powering demo to the pinnacle of all DPS. It just fits it well. Where demo is good now it's good thanks to the design of the spec in general, not just the ability to multi-dot some crit dooms.
    Last edited by klogaroth; 2013-09-24 at 01:00 AM.

  20. #4160
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
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    Haunt now increases all periodic damage against the target by 35% (down from 40%).
    Demonology
    Wild Imps' Fel Firebolt now deals 30% less damage.
    Destruction
    Immolate's damage has been increased by 30%.

    Nerf, nerf, buff. Seems Cyner has her ear to the grapevine.

    EDIT: Oh, and the UVLS nerf as well.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Unerring Vision of Lei Shen now has a 40% reduced chance to activate its effect for Warlocks.
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