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    To think i was beginning to enjoy Demonology more and more throughout the expansion, they nerfed their AoE (probably already powerful to begin with) early in 5.4, and now one of my 'pet' damage gets nerfed by 30%... as a 'casual' though the recent changes shouldn't bug me much since i don't have UVLS (terrible luck) or glyph Wild Imps.

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    At least affliction is still powerful, and destro is slightly better :>
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    i was thinking of changing my offspec from destro to demo, no point in doing that now with the massive nerf to demo, it'll prolly do less dmg than destro now.

  4. #4184
    IMO the changes to demo are double dipped overkill. You could have left UVLS as is and nerfed imps on the assumption everyone uses it. OR you nerf UVLS as they did and leave the imps as they were since you will get less of them.

  5. #4185
    Quote Originally Posted by Werst View Post
    IMO the changes to demo are double dipped overkill. You could have left UVLS as is and nerfed imps on the assumption everyone uses it. OR you nerf UVLS as they did and leave the imps as they were since you will get less of them.
    The balance team reminds me of someone in Surgeon Simulator using a hacksaw to remove a kidney.

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    Oh man this is hilarious
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  7. #4187
    So glad I didn't DE my other trinkets when I got ULVS.

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    Putting it here since it seems better than the random thread:

    Did a quick simc script for demo without uvls. I used trinket2=breath_of_the_hydra,id=96455,upgrade=2 as my comparison trinket (h 2/2).

    With my current gear (~6k crit rating), and not using uvls is ~10% loss for my character (285k vs 260k single target). Of that, 12% is from imps (down from 20% with uvls), meaning that the imp nerf would make the imps do ~8%, and make a total nerf of around ~14% dps loss for demo.

    Tweaking around with my gear priorities towards haste > mastery > crit and dropping imp glyph I can get back to 95-96% of live dps (275k after imp dps loss is taken out), but that comes at a pretty hefty loss in terms of aoe phases (15k haste, 10k mastery, 6k crit) - and it also has the downside of zero compatibility with destro.

    tl;dr Thou Shalt Have No Other Specs Before Affliction.
    Last edited by rijn dael; 2013-09-24 at 06:30 AM.

  9. #4189
    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Immolate buff is an odd one..
    Not really, when you look at this through the lens of PvP as well. What were they going to do? Increase ember generation? They cannot buff Cbolt, nor Conflag, they just buffed Incinerate and nerfed Fel Flame. Their options are rather limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasofrass View Post
    At least affliction is still powerful, and destro is slightly better :>
    Yep, and you get to pick one to play. Considering they both have different stat priorities.

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    I must have had some sort of premonition since I felt like ditching me Demo for Destro last week. These nerfs are... Odd.

  11. #4191
    I'm assuming there's going to be some sort of announcement tomorrow that they're abandoning the PTR altogether, cause clearly it's useless. Just when I was starting to enjoy Demo as well...

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    Going Destro OS -.- I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by I make people mad View Post
    Going Destro OS -.- I guess
    How though? I mean they use different meta's and secondary stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrogant Bastard View Post
    How though? I mean they use different meta's and secondary stats.
    I DON'T KNOW that's the problem

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    I am happy to see UVLS go. I know Ghostcrawler has described it as feeling more like an exploit for demo then a trinket. I feel like it having a last tier trinket as BIS is just wrong, too compulsory and the gap between H TF UVLS and say a LFR version was enormous. Although I would have liked it to see the change made during the PTR / launch 5.4 rather than hot-fixed in in the middle of progression.

    BUT what I don't understand is that given they know UVLS was artificially propping up Demonology's DPS, essentially the only thing making it viable, how can you not see that removing it will cripple the spec? Why having nerfed UVLS would you then also nerf the imps? Where are the compensation buffs to rotational abilities if they thought pet damage was too high even after UVLS was nerfed?

    Looking at the other class nerfs / buffs in this hotfix I think the 10-15% damage reduction this change will represent for Demonology is way out-of-line with the other adjustments. Demo is my favorite spec and I can see it being personally game-breaking if it becomes un-fun & un-competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I am happy to see UVLS go. I know Ghostcrawler has described it as feeling more like an exploit for demo then a trinket. I feel like it having a last tier trinket as BIS is just wrong, too compulsory and the gap between H TF UVLS and say a LFR version was enormous. Although I would have liked it to see the change made during the PTR / launch 5.4 rather than hot-fixed in in the middle of progression.

    BUT what I don't understand is that given they know UVLS was artificially propping up Demonology's DPS, essentially the only thing making it viable, how can you not see that removing it will cripple the spec? Why having nerfed UVLS would you then also nerf the imps? Where are the compensation buffs to rotational abilities if they thought pet damage was too high even after UVLS was nerfed?

    Looking at the other class nerfs / buffs in this hotfix I think the 10-15% damage reduction this change will represent for Demonology is way out-of-line with the other adjustments. Demo is my favorite spec and I can see it being personally game-breaking if it becomes un-fun & un-competitive.
    yea, im fine with uvls no longer working, only that this should have happened pre release, what makes absolutely zero sense is nerfing our imps when taking away the trinket directly nerfs our imp dmg already, the double hit to demo is just wrong and and amazes me how poorly thought out it is

    also, what are people planning on running until soo trinkets, breath+wush , breath+cha yes, chayes+wush?
    Last edited by weakdots; 2013-09-24 at 05:26 AM.

  17. #4197
    Don't really see the point of the kneejerk destro offspec, there was already almost no reason to go demo this entire tier so... basically still no reason to not be aff even more so now.

    Demo was gonna be great for thok and... that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    Don't really see the point of the kneejerk destro offspec, there was already almost no reason to go demo this entire tier so... basically still no reason to not be aff even more so now.

    Demo was gonna be great for thok and... that's it.
    I'd say demo worked pretty good for protectors/sha of pride, dark shamans, paragons, i just love demo
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    have you been watching the world first race, and doing heroic yourself? demo has been amazing on every single fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    Don't really see the point of the kneejerk destro offspec, there was already almost no reason to go demo this entire tier so... basically still no reason to not be aff even more so now.

    Demo was gonna be great for thok and... that's it.

  20. #4200
    I have an idea for the final legendary of the game.
    It should have a low drop chance from Sargeras. And the name should be...
    Nerfhammer.
    Because it's the thing players fear the most.
    I imagine it like this:

    Nerfhammer, Heroes' Demise
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    Equip: chance on hit to nerf your overpowered class by 30%
    Equip: grants you Wrath of the Forum Lurker for 20secs. Every 2 sec you gain +X (mainstat) and when it expires you release a burst of aoe energy in Outrageous Posts, chaos damage

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