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    I went MF aff for Sha of Pride today and you can color me convinced. The burst potential is actually insane, especially since the reflections line up with the MF cd. I also find it hard to believe Demo will outpace Aff in aoe during mannoroth's fury
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjaguar View Post
    I went MF aff for Sha of Pride today and you can color me convinced. The burst potential is actually insane, especially since the reflections line up with the MF cd. I also find it hard to believe Demo will outpace Aff in aoe during mannoroth's fury
    It wont outpace aff.... thats the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teye View Post
    You're playing Sacrifice Demo on a parse where we're supposed to be comparing burst AoE damage.
    You're not using Harvest Life or Void Ray after your Chaos Waves for burst AoE.
    Come back with a meaningful parse where you're not using Soul Fire as part of your AoE rotation, please.

    This entire "I'm from Vigil, I'm better than you, you need to listen to everything I say and don't you dare question it" attitude needs to go. There's no place for egos in a discussion thread, and both of you are flexing yours.

    Edit: Inb4 the post I know is coming... Don't tell me about how Sac is better than Service for the fight, and that's why you're using it. That's not the point of this discussion. The point is one simple question: Which spec can do more AoE burst in a 10 second window, Demonology or Affliction. That means playing Demonology properly for Burst AoE, Immo Aura, Double Wave, Double Felstorm, Carrion Swarm, Harvest Life. Not Immolation Aura, one HoG and Soul Fire spam like your parse shows.
    Lol, A) I am using voidray, you're terrible at reading logs.... B) Harvest Life is awful and has been proven awful since the start of the expansion. Sorry you cant read logs correctly and think you're super special. The point is, affliction out burst aoes demo in the current state of PTR during mannoroths fury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixul View Post
    It wont outpace aff.... thats the point.
    Yeah.... I'm agreeing with you...
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    I mean this whole debate about Aff burst aoe being > the other 2 during MF shouldn't really shock anyone given MF on PTR only increases damage for 1 aoe spell for each spec. Affli is the only spec whose WHOLE aoe revolves around pretty much 1 spell, and THAT'S the spell being buffed by MF. Demo has aoe spells scattered throughout their aoe rotation, and RoF for Destro has never been the main source of aoe damage. So I'm not understanding why anyone would be shocked that super buffed MF SoC spam would begin to trump the other 2 specs' aoe given Hellfire/ImmoAura and RoF are not the singular source of aoe damage for their respective specs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjaguar View Post
    Yeah.... I'm agreeing with you...
    Yea im aware, i was making it even more evident for teye who seems to think that his zero experience actually playing the game, and not understanding that sac also effects my aoe spells, look more and more like a guy who needs to stop posting.


    Also @ teye, if anyone is attempting to flex their "ego" its you. You have no actual game experience to speak of with these changes, yet youre arguing that demo burst is better than afflictions, and thats just straight up false. Please stop having delusions of grandeur and thinking youre right when the evidence is there that you are infact WRONG.

    Please feel free to post FACTUAL information ( MUCH LIKE I HAVE ALREADY! ), and prove me wrong. Until then, stop posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowygoodness View Post
    I mean this whole debate about Aff burst aoe being > the other 2 during MF shouldn't really shock anyone given MF on PTR only increases damage for 1 aoe spell for each spec. Affli is the only spec whose WHOLE aoe revolves around pretty much 1 spell, and THAT'S the spell being buffed by MF. Demo has aoe spells scattered throughout their aoe rotation, and RoF for Destro has never been the main source of aoe damage. So I'm not understanding why anyone would be shocked that super buffed MF SoC spam would begin to trump the other 2 specs' aoe given Hellfire/ImmoAura and RoF are not the singular source of aoe damage for their respective specs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowygoodness View Post
    I mean this whole debate about Aff burst aoe being > the other 2 during MF shouldn't really shock anyone given MF on PTR only increases damage for 1 aoe spell for each spec. Affli is the only spec whose WHOLE aoe revolves around pretty much 1 spell, and THAT'S the spell being buffed by MF. Demo has aoe spells scattered throughout their aoe rotation, and RoF for Destro has never been the main source of aoe damage. So I'm not understanding why anyone would be shocked that super buffed MF SoC spam would begin to trump the other 2 specs' aoe given Hellfire/ImmoAura and RoF are not the singular source of aoe damage for their respective specs.
    Yeah the main problem is MF is probably the worst for demo out of all 3 specs simply because if anything is living for 10 seconds that means you're going to be using HoG which will be better than chaos wave so that's 2 globals that's you're using while not casting hellfire/immo aura. (Granted, the MF bonus might make it worth it to use chaos wave simply for the higher uptime on aura) Aff and Destro don't suffer from this problem because you can maintain 100% uptime of their respective aoe spells while doing other things, specifically in destruction's case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjaguar View Post
    Yeah the main problem is MF is probably the worst for demo out of all 3 specs simply because if anything is living for 10 seconds that means you're going to be using HoG which will be better than chaos wave so that's 2 globals that's you're using while not casting hellfire/immo aura. (Granted, the MF bonus might make it worth it to use chaos wave simply for the higher uptime on aura) Aff and Destro don't suffer from this problem because you can maintain 100% uptime of their respective aoe spells.
    Yep. Also if you look at my logs ( since the adds were living long enough ), i was using HoG and not chaos wave... which teye also appears to not have noticed in the log.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixul View Post
    Yep. Also if you look at my logs ( since the adds were living long enough ), i was using HoG and not chaos wave... which teye also appears to not have noticed in the log.
    Yo, please cool it, thanks. There is no reason to constantly pick out one person with insulting posts. There are nice and constructive ways to say that someone is wrong without the snide remarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowygoodness View Post
    I mean this whole debate about Aff burst aoe being > the other 2 during MF shouldn't really shock anyone given MF on PTR only increases damage for 1 aoe spell for each spec. Affli is the only spec whose WHOLE aoe revolves around pretty much 1 spell, and THAT'S the spell being buffed by MF. Demo has aoe spells scattered throughout their aoe rotation, and RoF for Destro has never been the main source of aoe damage. So I'm not understanding why anyone would be shocked that super buffed MF SoC spam would begin to trump the other 2 specs' aoe given Hellfire/ImmoAura and RoF are not the singular source of aoe damage for their respective specs.
    and then take the 84% haste, mastery and critdmg proc(which seems to have a 2min icd and prollynot a rppm trinket, seemed to reliably proc every 2 min or so) for some real fun, i managed to do a lowly 450k crit with seed with the proc in my gear(which seems to be heavily deflated for some reason, missing 8% mastery and 5% haste compared to my gear on live but meh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Yo, please cool it, thanks. There is no reason to constantly pick out one person with insulting posts. There are nice and constructive ways to say that someone is wrong without the snide remarks.

    Thanks!
    But its okay for him to do it. Got it.

    If you're going to moderate, do it equally and fairly. Dont just ignore one side of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixul View Post
    But its okay for him to do it. Got it.
    It's not okay for either of you to do it. The warning applies to everyone irregardless of who I chose to quote in my post



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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    It's not okay for either of you to do it. The warning applies to everyone irregardless of who I chose to quote in my post
    " There is no reason to constantly pick out one person with insulting posts "

    Perhaps you should make it more evident in your post if thats the case, rather than using a singular form of vocabulary to single one out.

  13. #1293
    I'm done with this. Its impossible to have a reasonable discussion with someone who's so immature that they feel the need to resort to name calling and epeen flexing to try to get their point across. Have fun arguing with the mods, I won't be apart of it anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teye View Post
    I'm done with this. Its impossible to have a reasonable discussion with someone who's so immature that they feel the need to resort to name calling and epeen flexing to try to get their point across. Have fun arguing with the mods, I won't be apart of it anymore.
    You were never a part of it, you were throwing out imaginary theoretical numbers with nothing to back up your claims.

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    Guys, enough of this! There have been more than enough warnings now, don't expect more to come.
    If you can't have a mature discussion, don't have one.

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    When I said Burst AOE I was thinking in more of a Lei-Shen HC scenario where balls die in 3-4sec, I dont consider 10sec to be burst AOE, 10sec its ALOOOOOONG time.

    Granted I haven't been on PTR or done any of the new fights so I dont know how they work, but on a 3-4sec fight Demo I belive might still come on Top. on a senario of 10sec and if the PTR numbers ppl trowing away for SOC crits are in the order of 400k in 520, SOC is ofc the new King because they can be pumped out constantly while demo already have HOG and felstorms on CD.
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    So far nothing like Ball of Lightning aoe exists in siege (based on what's been tested), most of it is something MF seed is going to be the best at by far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellfury View Post
    When I said Burst AOE I was thinking in more of a Lei-Shen HC scenario where balls die in 3-4sec, I dont consider 10sec to be burst AOE, 10sec its ALOOOOOONG time.

    Granted I haven't been on PTR or done any of the new fights so I dont know how they work, but on a 3-4sec fight Demo I belive might still come on Top. on a senario of 10sec and if the PTR numbers ppl trowing away for SOC crits are in the order of 400k in 520, SOC is ofc the new King because they can be pumped out constantly while demo already have HOG and felstorms on CD.
    yea, seed is pretty rediculous atm, its quite fun actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixul View Post
    yea, seed is pretty rediculous atm, its quite fun actually
    I agree, the one fight I tested and used it on I enjoyed it
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    Archimonde's Vengeance has been redesigned. For the passive portion of the talent, each time the Warlock or their pet takes damage, the Warlock now gains 1% of the unmitigated damage back as spell power for 20 seconds.



    Affliction

    Agony now deals 5% more damage.
    Drain Soul now deals 40% less damage, and if other periodic Affliction damage effects are triggered by Drain Soul, they now deal 60% of their normal damage (down from 100%).
    Haunt now deals 50% more damage, and increases damage done by all of the Warlock's other spells against the target by 45%.
    Malefic Grasp now deals 40% less damage, and causes all of of the Warlock's other periodic Affliction damage effects to instantly deal 30% of their normal periodic damage (down from 50%).
    Nightfall now gives Corruption a 7% chance to generate a Soul Shard (up from a 5% chance), but the increased chance only works on the most recently applied Corruption.
    Soul Swap no longer does any damage, and now copies damage-over-time effects instead of just moving them without needing a glyph. Copied effects now once again preserve their power and duration. Duration has been reduced to 6 seconds (down from 20 seconds).
    Unstable Affliction now deals 10% more damage.
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