Can't wait to see how these changes play out, and what they're going to change in the build coming.
On a chinese forum, some people feel that ret is obviously buffed (inq/turn evil/GoAK changes). But some others don't, they say with the removal of BoG and the decrease of GoAK strength stacks (20 to 12), ret is actually slightly nerfed.
It seems that many of them don't like the new turn evil telent, they say without BoG, it will be impossible to defeat some class specs like unholy/blood dks.
Honestly hoping that BoG goes baseline for Ret, or that SoJ will apply its slow on Judge (like censure) to at least keep some semblance of kiting ability.
Though I donot care about pvp much, I must agree that the removal of BoG is a nerf to pve, which means holy/prot pallys have no n
snare (melee or range) again, this sucks. And even ret could do nothing in situations which range snares are needed.
Mind if I ask another question? You didn't like blood fear in 5.0 but you're practically giving it to Paladins? I'm confused
Ghostcrawler: Turn Evil has a CD and cast time and paladins have to give up FoJ or Repentance to take it.
Wasn't Blood Fear nerfed for locks because it was an instant fear? What about glyphed Turn Evil on PTR...
Holinka: Patch notes say we will redo the glyph.
Do you think Holy Paladins will be stronger or weaker without access to a slow mechanic AND an instant cast Turn Evil?
Holinka: I don't think Paladin competitiveness hinges on the Turn Evil glyph. Holy Paladins don't take Burden of Guilt.
So, it sounds like the glyph won't be making/keeping it as instant cast. The last one is a bit vague, but also a slap in ret's face that "we're removing this Ret item because Holy doesn't use it". Sigh. Followed up with:
Ret. Ages we were after a reliable slow. A "Cast time CC" isnt what we wanted. Welcome for RBG control. but Meh.
Holinka: You have a spammable root break, hand of freedom, a passive snare and a whole tier of talents about run speed.
DK and Warrior need to spend a talent or global to apply their snare. You have it passive on a seal.
I guess they just REALLY want us to use SOJ all the time in PVP, and can't comprehend that we can and do use SOT at times.
Because apparently having to swap seals doesn't cost a GCD. Good one.
Cant say i like the BoG change. FoJ is better in most situations but it was still a choice. We'll still have SoJ ,which i think is an ok slow, but BoG is the best slow in game imo. Come 5.4 we'll have repentance and turn evil on the same tier. Different DRs dont justify two very similar cc talents on the same tier.
I think Rep should be Holy only, Fist should be Ret only and the talents have better Area Control options as improvements of Blinding Light, BoG and Evil is a PoV.
Make the Turn Evil Glyph let it cast while moving and if BoG is removed, make it into SoJ but remove all damage increase from it - so we have a baseline 5 secs CD ranged snare that requires seal twisting or a big DPS loss so it won't get OP.
Blizz have failed on this tier anyway on the moment they tried to make Ret stop to cast Repentance anyway.
Yeah wow, so for all we know thus far: Ret is losing access to BoG and also losing the ability to glyph into instant Turn Evil, which is of course is great against all sorts of Dk ,Lock, Priest and other teams. A new ptr just came out and there is no word on the glyph so far. I really wish they would directly answer how a melee is supposed to hard-cast abilities in serious PvP; there is a reason why virtually no melee has had to hard cast anything in years before MoP Repent came out. Fears are really powerful, so I'm not going to panic just yet, I suppose it might be ok on some comps.
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