View Poll Results: Do you think Bliz will actually nerf KJC?

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    576 74.32%
  • No

    199 25.68%
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  1. #841
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    As affliction though, If FelFlame doesn't extend dots and it doesn't snapshot procs, when would an aff lock ever use it ?

    While moving, once KJC gets nerfed and AV gets buffed. That's basically the entire point of the last 3 pages...

  2. #842
    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post
    I hope that either they nerf it or keep it and then let mages, druids, and priests cast filler while moving.

    mages and priests are already very powerful in pvp with how they are at the mo, druids have a decent amount of mobility anyway, they dont have any long cast times, MG is different here, but personally it should of been dots castable on the move, not this, destro and demo have some spells that have long cast times which in pvp at the least dont hit hard against players

  3. #843
    Quote Originally Posted by Teye View Post
    While moving, once KJC gets nerfed and AV gets buffed. That's basically the entire point of the last 3 pages...
    wont we be using MG while moving ? Or soulburn/soulswapping fresh dots, why would we waste time with felflame if we can be using mg, and felflame no longer has any effects on dots

  4. #844
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    wont we be using MG while moving ? Or soulburn/soulswapping fresh dots, why would we waste time with felflame if we can be using mg, and felflame no longer has any effects on dots
    Like he said, it's been discussed a ton over the past couple pages ... FF is for when you don't pick KJC
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  5. #845
    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    I've not heard any Hunters make this argument, so I decided to go right to the source and see what they think

    Just made the thread so no replies yet, but hopefully we'll see
    There are many tweets asking about Sniper Training and Aspects to that end.

  6. #846
    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    Like he said, it's been discussed a ton over the past couple pages ... FF is for when you don't pick KJC
    Its amazing, some people are so reliant on KJC that they can't even understand a conversation about not using it...

  7. #847
    Did they revert the "cast time but cast while moving" nature of ff?

    Fnatic pls

  8. #848
    Quote Originally Posted by Drikkink View Post
    Did they revert the "cast time but cast while moving" nature of ff?
    Based on the datamining, yes.

  9. #849
    Quote Originally Posted by Teye View Post
    Its amazing, some people are so reliant on KJC that they can't even understand a conversation about not using it...
    yes, forgive me

    But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

    The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless

  10. #850
    Quote Originally Posted by Drikkink View Post
    Did they revert the "cast time but cast while moving" nature of ff?
    They did. I try to keep the first post of this thread up to date with the latest changes, both datamined and official. Keep an eye on it if you've been out of the loop for a bit. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...5-4-discussion

  11. #851
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    yes, forgive me

    But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

    The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless
    Fel Flame is already largely useless with KJC. Also, they're considering a glyph to put back the DoT extension, if that's what you're concerned about.

  12. #852
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    yes, forgive me

    But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

    The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless
    The whole point in changing our talents at all is based around making AV/MF/KjC closer together and actually have a choice for them. The change to Fel Flame helps this out by raising our movement DPS while not talented into KjC. This means it's less painful to not take KjC making it easier to get the 3 talents closer together, and thus accomplish their goal.

  13. #853
    Just Updated!
    Warlock

    General

    The debuff from using a Demonic Gateway has been increased to 60 seconds (up from 15 seconds).

    WTF Blizzard I don;t think my ass hole can take any more pounding come on!

  14. #854
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    yes, forgive me

    But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

    The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless
    If they tune the new AV where it should be, good use of FF should be a DPS increase on light-moderate movement encounters, whereas KJC will be more a QoL thing and heavy movement ability.

    Further note, the nerfs to Gateway and Soul Leech are not unexpected when they're leaving KJC tuned higher than originally intended.

  15. #855
    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    The whole point in changing our talents at all is based around making AV/MF/KjC closer together and actually have a choice for them. The change to Fel Flame helps this out by raising our movement DPS while not talented into KjC. This means it's less painful to not take KjC making it easier to get the 3 talents closer together, and thus accomplish their goal.
    You might be right, but I certainly wish they could do this by making MF and AV more interesting and fun, instead of making KJC less usefull and less fun

  16. #856
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    You might be right, but I certainly wish they could do this by making MF and AV more interesting and fun, instead of making KJC less usefull and less fun
    They nerfed Gateway and Soul Leech. Anything else you'd give up for more powerful KJC?

  17. #857
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    They nerfed Gateway and Soul Leech. Anything else you'd give up for more powerful KJC?
    I believe this whole thing is mostly a case of PVP ruining it for PVE, I remember when CoC was nerfed.....grrr
    Last edited by Shiekyerbooty; 2013-06-22 at 04:28 PM.

  18. #858
    They had best keep threat off us for 60 sec then because soloing is ruined if not.

    Fnatic pls

  19. #859
    Quote Originally Posted by Drikkink View Post
    They had best keep threat off us for 60 sec then because soloing is ruined if not.
    Remember that the Void Walker is getting a substantial threat boost (150% of current) which should help a bit if that's the case.

  20. #860
    Quote Originally Posted by Teye View Post
    Remember that the Void Walker is getting a substantial threat boost (150% of current) which should help a bit if that's the case.
    This. When I read about the voidwalker threat buff I was baffled since we never complained on this. And then portal nerf came :P So the reason is either to stop raids from avoiding some raid mechanics they are not supposed to avoid, or PvP. They tried to keep soloing as is...

    Now we have to admit that an AV change like this (take damage to buff my output) is very warlock like. We are supposed to give life for a greater purpose (like killing mages etc).
    Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

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