View Poll Results: Do you think Bliz will actually nerf KJC?

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  1. #861
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    The debuff from using a Demonic Gateway has been increased to 60 seconds (up from 15 seconds).

    WTF Blizzard I don;t think my ass hole can take any more pounding come on!

  2. #862
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    yes, forgive me

    But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

    The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless
    If they tune the new AV where it should be, good use of FF should be a DPS increase on light-moderate movement encounters, whereas KJC will be more a QoL thing and heavy movement ability.

    Further note, the nerfs to Gateway and Soul Leech are not unexpected when they're leaving KJC tuned higher than originally intended.

  3. #863
    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    The whole point in changing our talents at all is based around making AV/MF/KjC closer together and actually have a choice for them. The change to Fel Flame helps this out by raising our movement DPS while not talented into KjC. This means it's less painful to not take KjC making it easier to get the 3 talents closer together, and thus accomplish their goal.
    You might be right, but I certainly wish they could do this by making MF and AV more interesting and fun, instead of making KJC less usefull and less fun

  4. #864
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    You might be right, but I certainly wish they could do this by making MF and AV more interesting and fun, instead of making KJC less usefull and less fun
    They nerfed Gateway and Soul Leech. Anything else you'd give up for more powerful KJC?

  5. #865
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    They nerfed Gateway and Soul Leech. Anything else you'd give up for more powerful KJC?
    I believe this whole thing is mostly a case of PVP ruining it for PVE, I remember when CoC was nerfed.....grrr
    Last edited by Shiekyerbooty; 2013-06-22 at 04:28 PM.

  6. #866
    They had best keep threat off us for 60 sec then because soloing is ruined if not.

    Fnatic pls

  7. #867
    Quote Originally Posted by Drikkink View Post
    They had best keep threat off us for 60 sec then because soloing is ruined if not.
    Remember that the Void Walker is getting a substantial threat boost (150% of current) which should help a bit if that's the case.

  8. #868
    Quote Originally Posted by Teye View Post
    Remember that the Void Walker is getting a substantial threat boost (150% of current) which should help a bit if that's the case.
    This. When I read about the voidwalker threat buff I was baffled since we never complained on this. And then portal nerf came :P So the reason is either to stop raids from avoiding some raid mechanics they are not supposed to avoid, or PvP. They tried to keep soloing as is...

    Now we have to admit that an AV change like this (take damage to buff my output) is very warlock like. We are supposed to give life for a greater purpose (like killing mages etc).
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  9. #869
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiekyerbooty View Post
    I believe this whole thing is mostly a case of PVP ruining it for PVE, I remember when CoE was nerfed.....grrr
    I doubt it, there was a huge outcry from pve'ers to get KJC remaining strong, you can't have that and not get any backlash when it causes pvp connotations, though frankly I don't think that's the case.

    The new KJC in pvp is something I expect to be amazing, first time I've been looking forward to stepping into a BG / arena on my warlock this entire expansion. And soul leech is NOT a pvp concern, most warlocks take DR from what I'm aware, and even if they don't, it's not as overpowered as it is for pve since you're regularly taking damage, as opposed to in pve where you can just ignore horridons calls and absorb 100% of what should be a huge raid hit. That's 100% a pve concern.

    Gateway is disputable, but seems stupid in both cases.

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    KJC so good for aff now.

  11. #871
    I really enjoyed casting soulstone and soulwell on the move (and summon pet, but that also has pvp consequences), so including those in KJC would be a great QoL change. I'd even pay a glyph slot for it.

  12. #872
    I admit KJC on live is a bit OP, so I think the new KJC is a good deal. We can cast while moving, but we can't use all spells.

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  13. #873
    So they want to make AV like vengeance? Tick another one off the 'Locks have all the tools to tank' list! lol

    Use DA to Tank some adds mid fight, build up AV.. pop into Meta and melt face!

    AV may end up being better for farming than MF!

    Kind of excited to see how this one turns out.

  14. #874
    Affliction execute will still be rather shit now, especially since you need 2 ticks to regain a shard. Drain Soul would also have to be added to the castable spells as affliction, then it should be pretty good now.

  15. #875
    If the gateway debuff keeps the threat reduction on it I fear those times where a tank decides to jump through it. Now instead of a 15 sec window where they don't understand why they lost threat they get a full minute to wipe the raid.
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  16. #876
    I just hate it.
    All of it, the whole package 5.4 looks like a big load of crap for warlocks. Once again.
    That much fundamental changes near the end of the addon - what the heck?
    No matter how much they buff anything in return, if at all that is, it will still suck.

    The only way it will not invite a lot of warlocks to re-roll / delete is to stop that bullshit
    right now and revert most of the stupid nerfs.

  17. #877
    It could of been worse, much worse, so dont moan

  18. #878
    If this is a nerfed talent, my name is Angelina Jolie.

    Well, good for us :X

  19. #879
    Quote Originally Posted by jaymzkerten View Post
    If the gateway debuff keeps the threat reduction on it I fear those times where a tank decides to jump through it. Now instead of a 15 sec window where they don't understand why they lost threat they get a full minute to wipe the raid.
    Tanks can still taunt if the targets arent immune to it. The debuff doesnt make you generate 0 aggro, but rather wipes all your aggro for the duration. It works just like priests' fade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turboblake View Post
    Just Updated!
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    The debuff from using a Demonic Gateway has been increased to 60 seconds (up from 15 seconds).

    WTF Blizzard I don;t think my ass hole can take any more pounding come on!
    No, that's awesome. I can set up gateways and go all Idiot Mode on my dps without fear of drawing aggro. Yay for unintended consequences.
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