Don't get me wrong, I love my moonkin and all, but in this expansion their issues have been largely ignored. Still doing ok? Sure. Largely gear-dependent? Way too much. Interesting mechanics? Meh.
With regards to the 4 set bonus, have people actually tried coming up with alternatives? Things that would work.
If they want the set bonus to work with Celestial Alignment, I think the following solution might be more suited:
- Every time you enter an eclipse, the duration of your next Celestial Alignment is increased by 1 second, up to 15 seconds.
-Will allow us to stack Incarnation and CA together for a full duration
-Scales with gear to a certain degree (You'd be capped at getting a 15 second increase)
-Careful monitoring required to get the max dps out of it. -> spices up the play
-More beneficial on multi target fights, as you'd have a higher uptime on your double eclipse dots, but which in turn is then neatly balanced by the fact you'd be cycling through less eclipses on such fights.
-Perhaps favors Incarnation over FoN or SoFT.
-Perhaps we'd be shoehorned into swapping eclipses 15 times pre fight, to annoyance of our raid leaders.
-Nature's grace during CA would be out of sync. (Solution: Also increase NG uptime for the effect during CA or just bake the 15% bonus of NG into CA, and remove CA triggering the effect, since atm, they have the same length anyways.)
Personally I'd rather have this:
-Allow Shooting Stars to stack up to a small number of charges (3 to 5).
-Less SS proc wastage, which is what we are currently dealing with the higher levels of gear we obtain.
-Changes up the playstyle from button mashing your Starsurge button just incase something procs.
-Increase our dps during short movement (stack up the charges till a movement phase hits)
-Perhaps too powerful of a burst (here, have 5 seconds of 600k dps.)
-Could be harder to implement via the use of a set bonus.
-Questionable dps gain (If you're going to save up stacks for quick add burst for example, you'd always stay at one stack away from maximum stacks, thus running into the same problem as today.)
-Bandaid fix for the current waste of SS procs problem we've been dealing with.
I personally feel a 4set should vary up the playstyle in some form. A small increase in dot time is enough to achieve this (as we've seen with T14). But they could well do with some kind of passive bonus, or rather, something that doesn't vary up the playstyle by any significant amount, such as:
-Shooting Stars will now also increase the damage bonus of your next eclipse by 2%, this effect stacks. (compensation for SS proc waste)
-Wrath has a 50% chance to increase the duration on your next Starfall by 1 second, this effect stacks.
Last edited by Rocketbear; 2013-07-02 at 11:02 AM.
They could do something boring like "CA confers an additional x% bonus to eclipse while active," or "Using CA increases your mastery by 1000 for 3 minutes." First option means more burst and synergy with Incarnation, second option meters the additional damage out over a full cooldown cycle.
Anyway, I'm not very good at making suggestions, but I suppose this is a good place to posit them. Not sure any of the ideas will actually be read by Blizzard, so it's more just for brainstorming.
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The current T16 4p is an example of that, they're just taking set bonuses that they have done before with other specs and apply it to a baseline cooldown all Balance druids have available, CA. Since they cannot actually increase the strength of the optional talents as that might pose some balancing issues. The problem is that the one they came up with just doesn't work for a balance druid and actually indirectly discourages the usage of Incarnation while favoring the usage of SotF.
I personally think your ideas would be better to provide an actual measurable dps increase, because as we have seen, CA on single target fights by it self is not really a big or noteworthy increase in damage output and that the talent only really shines on multi target fights.
That was also a concern of mine when I initially came up with it, after reading some posts suggesting this.Would be too overpowered for PvP. If you were able to stack up 3-5 SS procs, and then pop your CDs to supplement them, you'd find our burst to be too strong. Our burst currently relies on "the stars aligning" or getting a couple of SS procs in a row - this essentially guarantees that happening and almost has no random mechanic to it with high crit. It'd be nice if they just baked in SS procs stacking to 2 as baseline for Boomkins, so we didn't have so much SS proc waste, 3-5 is a little too high.
The thing is that only allowing it to go up to 2, wouldn't change much in our play style and going up to 3 could potentially add in some strategic element into saving starsurge procs to quickly burst one target down in a fight, like an add. For example, the Loa spirit/Twisted Fate (Which is a terrible example, given the encounter is a 4 mob multidot fight for us, but still). Perhaps they could counter balance it and make the additional applications be dispellable?
Also, bear in mind that you'd have to give up around 3.5k pvp power and the pvp setbonuses in order to get the T16 4p one, which is a substantial sacrifice in pvp.
It is just an idea to give developpers some additional feedback, rather than just complain at them for coming up with a terrible set bonus, you could provide them with some ideas in a friendly manner. As we have seen, they do listen to the community.but I suppose this is a good place to posit them. Not sure any of the ideas will actually be read by Blizzard, so it's more just for brainstorming.
Last edited by Rocketbear; 2013-07-02 at 11:06 AM.
We are better off than most classes imo so i'm happy as things are. We still don't know how the new gear and trinkets will effect things so at the this whole NS gone tier 4 set whine is pointless.
We don't need NS really, we have other options to survive, the set bonus might look underwhelming but no one has the numbers yet so no point crying over it.
Atm i think boomkins are in a good position.
So numbers wise you cannot use that arguement since CA is not exactly where our DPS comes from, it does in multi target situations but thats a complete different story.
I just really don't see the point in going on about it until with have hard evidence of our dps in the next patch. It maybe be pants but if we can still be a viable selection then i'm not really bothers about the set bonus.
The whole point of PTR is to whine so things get fixed. Look what warlocks have accomplished. Waiting for live is almost too late.
Nature's Swiftness is now a Resto and Balance spec spell.
There's no point sitting it out, receiving the set bonus and then saying 'Hey - how did that go live, now we're stuck with it' we want it changed before it goes live, and the time to make that happen is now. Once it has been implemented they may 'balance' it with a % mod, or a few extra seconds removed from the CD, but largely its the MECHANIC we dislike, not the specific reduction it offers. Unless we can get 2 CA per Incarnation cycle, it doesn't matter if its 3 seconds, 5 seconds or 10. If we can't line it up, it's not all that good.
I made a thread on EU forums a while back, maybe people can post there with their idea also, might help the cause.
I hope people agree with most of the things i have said