I haven't tested it out yet tbh
I think I need to properly sim out all the different variables when I get a moment and progress has calmed down a little = )
I hate to be that know-nothing who wanders into the forum and asks an uninformed question... but:
Our guild's prot warrior is telling us it's not worth it for him to upgrade any of his gear from Heroic ToT gear to SoO gear unless it's a mastery increase. He turned down the the weapon off Seigecrafter Blackfuse because he'd lose 270 Mastery in losing the extra socket.
Is this as insane as it sounds to me or is this a completely legit gearing strat?
Especially in 10 man any prot warrior going for mastery over dodge/parry is simply beeing silly. As for the not upgrading gear thing, it depends on if he's VP capped, if he could get items from Flex in the next days etc etc etc.
I don't upgrade gear if I know I need the VP's to upgrade better gear within the next reset (and i'm capped). (Naturally all my gear is upgraded so it's a bit of a meh statement).
Your warrior generally wants to go for Hit >= Exp > Dodge/Parry, although there are some voices that say Crit should be taken into the mix I personally run with this priority and it works wonders for both DPS and DTPS.
Odeanathus is one of those people who get's a job driving the special bus just to make fun of the disabled kids....
Tell him to go avoidance and enjoy the 20-30% DPS increase aswell as higher survivability.
Thanks for the quick responses. Sorry for using the word "upgrade" -- I meant it in a more traditional sense as in going from one piece of gear to the other. He passed the weapon to our Ret paladin, who occasionally tanks, claiming that he'd never use it. 10-man raid.
Practically full avoidance gems and a DPS trinket and 10 stacks of the debuff on Nuroshen wasn't too high, the video will be uploaded overnight (Praise rural British Internet) and will be in my sig's YouTube channel ^^
As for general gearing, I would highly advise avoidance gems / gear in 99% of cases and he should definitely have been taking that weapon for the stats. Having said that however our scaling from weapon damage is pretty godawful so it wont make much difference aside from just being a stat stick
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It doesnt really matter. The amount of avoidance you lose by not be "optimal" is very very little. I would say go as much parry as possible to benefit the revenge glyph.
I used dodge gems in yellow sockets parry in red and parry/stam in purple sockets with a good bonus.
just watched you vid. as you see in my sig i play a monk and funny thing is i don't feel like a REAL tank if i do not put in REAL tank stats. i go from crit-only to mastery/crit combination but still - there is a thing to warriors and i want to give my alt a try. just wanted to make sure i put in right gems.
Using TMI as a measurement for smoothing, mastery is just slightly better per point than dodge/parry even at high levels of dodge/parry. But the smoothing of mastery doesn't make up for the overall lower dtps and increased dps from avoidance. Most importantly, dodge/parry is currently more fun to play.
And just keep your dodge rating (points not percent) as close to parry as possible if you want to maximize avoidance.
Was using the DPS cloak intermittently last night and noticed something, it appears that no aggro will generate during the proc. Has anyone else noticed this? It happened a few times on galakras packs they just ran off and so nearly face raped my healer.
Flawless - Go casual or go home.
Ohhhhh shit. Just realized we now have 2 Prot Warrior mods. TIME TO STRAIGHTEN UP PEOPLE!!!
Gratz guys. Bout time.
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Try tweeting GC and asking him if it's intended.
Regarding 25man hc tanks:
10man hc tanks:
You have the top prot warriors in the world (based on guild ranking) going mastery and some going riposte.
Then you have Slootbag saying he is focusing on a Crit/mastery.
Then you have all (that I have seen) of the 25 Heroic tanks on these forums saying Riposte.
There is no wrong answer. It's just what works for you. I love the playstyle of Riposte and at the moment it isn't hurting my raid.
Ok i read all the new info to get omn par with my warrior. Keeping in mind that i won't be going HM anytime soon, and i'm going only FLEX or 10m normal at max, is it worth to switch from the old mastery build to an avoidanceone? As i understood, the damage taken is more or less the same (more RNG involved) and i can get a good dps increase.
also, AMR is suggesting me to go for orange full avoidance gems - but i see many go for full parry or full dodge. Any info? Armory is on sig.
You will take less damage in the avoidance spec and you will have a lot more rage to play with. On top of that you will have A LOT of fun doing damage, prot warriors are finally in a really good place.
Now gem wise it doesn't matter too much. Generally speaking you want to keep a good ratio of parry and dodge to minimize the amount of DR you have, but none of these optimizations will change your crit as your total ratings will stay the same. You can use the follow gems however you want;
Stats Name Parry Flashing Dodge Subtle Parry + Dodge Stalwart Dodge + Expertise Resolute Dodge + Hit Nimble Parry + Hit Retaliating
If you have more mastery opt into taking the non hit/exp gems to ensure that you reforge out of your mastery. Otherwise use whichever gives you the highest stats (for socket bonuses etc.)
Let me know if there is anything else I can help with.