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  2. #1062
    Just wanted to give a piece of advice to anyone tanking the "Wall" boss on Shamans.

    We use 2 Warrior tanks in the room and we found that it was SIGNIFICANTLY easier on the healers if we dumped almost 100% of our rage into barrier. Even while you are not tanking the boss the dot alone is enough to use up the whole barrier.

    You sacrifice a bit of damage but deaths inside the room was the only thing we were wiping to so it was an easy tradeoff.

  3. #1063
    Mmm... I don't raid until sunday, and last thursday the 2set wasn't working well at all, but I just finished a flex raid and Shield Guard was responding much better, producing no overheal at all if you were previously topped off:

    [18:25:15.383] Ápplejack Soothing Mist Merithra +0 (O: 0, O: 12875)
    [18:25:15.526] Ápplejack Renewing Mist Merithra +0 (O: 0, O: 9525)
    [18:25:15.882] Earthbreaker Haromm Froststorm Strike Merithra 54193 (A: 71303)
    [18:25:16.100] Ápplejack Soothing Mist Merithra +12876 (O: 0)
    [18:25:16.274] Erÿah Beacon of Light Merithra +14854 (O: 0)
    [18:25:16.274] Merithra Shield Guard Merithra +21391 (O: 0)

    Anyone else have been looking at recent logs? Seems fixed.

    PD: Also, after getting a flex drain life trinket, and trying it on Nazgrim... I may give it a chance again in a proper raid, but I think I will finally set for stam/crit trinket from garrosh and str/crit trinket from Paragons. No dps str users on our raid group, so free way for me.
    Last edited by Espada; 2013-09-28 at 05:00 PM.

  4. #1064
    guys, today we were 2 prot warriors in LFR, our dps was almost same on nazgrim

    i did 147k dps, and the other tank did 136k

    im parry/dodge build, and he is full mastery

    dmg taken 9.8M for me, and he got 11.5

    healing is equal, but he got 2.5m from 2 set


    so what do u think about this stats? how we r doing same dps? and the dmg taken isnt that big

  5. #1065
    Quote Originally Posted by sirmo7 View Post
    guys, today we were 2 prot warriors in LFR, our dps was almost same on nazgrim

    i did 147k dps, and the other tank did 136k

    im parry/dodge build, and he is full mastery

    dmg taken 9.8M for me, and he got 11.5

    healing is equal, but he got 2.5m from 2 set


    so what do u think about this stats? how we r doing same dps? and the dmg taken isnt that big
    From a sample size of one in which we have no idea who tanked what and for how long, I can't say I'd draw any useful data from this scenario at all, tbh.

  6. #1066
    we just tanked the boss, and swaping at 3 debuffs

  7. #1067
    Quote Originally Posted by sirmo7 View Post
    guys, today we were 2 prot warriors in LFR, our dps was almost same on nazgrim

    i did 147k dps, and the other tank did 136k

    im parry/dodge build, and he is full mastery

    dmg taken 9.8M for me, and he got 11.5

    healing is equal, but he got 2.5m from 2 set


    so what do u think about this stats? how we r doing same dps? and the dmg taken isnt that big
    It is hard to answer this question without looking at your logs. But equal healing suggests to me that you are running barrier more than block while he is prioritizing block. This will drop your dps substantially due to HR glyph. And your difference in damage taken is fairly large (especially if you were prioritizing barrier). So he likely was on boss more than you which means more vengeance which means more dps. Lastly, execution of your rotation and not missing GCDs plays a huge part in your dps.

  8. #1068
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    Would definitely need to see logs to say anything

    Avoidance builds will do quite significantly more DPS than Mastery builds, this is a mathematical fact

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    Don't forget to factor in ilvl differences and ss usage.
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  10. #1070
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    Just wanted to give a piece of advice to anyone tanking the "Wall" boss on Shamans.
    Also, if you're tanking Kardris the Froststorm Bolt is spell reflectable. Hits for 685k base in 25H, more when they bloodlust. Negates a ton of spike damage. I find it most useful right after Geyser, syncs up everytime and if you range healers for w/e reason it's not a big deal.

    On 2 piece: I'll look more at logs tonight, but it does seem better than last week.
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  11. #1071
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozendekay View Post
    Also, if you're tanking Kardris the Froststorm Bolt is spell reflectable. Hits for 685k base in 25H, more when they bloodlust. Negates a ton of spike damage. I find it most useful right after Geyser, syncs up everytime and if you range healers for w/e reason it's not a big deal.

    On 2 piece: I'll look more at logs tonight, but it does seem better than last week.
    That's interesting; I'll pass it on to our guild's Prot Warrior for next week's raid.

  12. #1072
    Do you think we have to use Thunderclap as soon as its cooldown is finished? I usually use devestate when my SB and revenge are cooldown. Yesterday when i was tanking H6, i saw the crit damage of devestate was only 150k but thunderclasp's crit damage was 500k, so i think if i need to switch to use thunderclap? I only used the thunderclap to refresh debuff. And if i use the thunderclap, do i have to use the thunderclap glyphs?

  13. #1073
    If I am not mistaken you press TC before debuff runs out and on the 4th GCD before SS.

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    It depends on the fight, with more AoE it pushes TC up on your priority list, for single target I would only put it infront of devastate in a filler and continue your priority as normal

  15. #1075
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    Just wanted to give a piece of advice to anyone tanking the "Wall" boss on Shamans.

    We use 2 Warrior tanks in the room and we found that it was SIGNIFICANTLY easier on the healers if we dumped almost 100% of our rage into barrier. Even while you are not tanking the boss the dot alone is enough to use up the whole barrier.

    You sacrifice a bit of damage but deaths inside the room was the only thing we were wiping to so it was an easy tradeoff.
    A while ago I simmed a SBlock prioritizing vs. a SBar prioritizing rotation - the DPS difference was way lower than I expected (only about 10k DPS less for SBar), TMI was a bit lower (but an insignificant amount) - so I'd say it is a very acceptable decision to go for SBar when the fight mechanics favor it.

    (PS: 5.4 Protection Warrior thread 50+ pages - I'm beginning to like this forum )
    Last edited by Tseng; 2013-09-29 at 02:42 PM.

  16. #1076
    Quote Originally Posted by eddytheone View Post
    Would definitely need to see logs to say anything

    Avoidance builds will do quite significantly more DPS than Mastery builds, this is a mathematical fact
    small question, u mean logs the same logs used in worldoflogs site?

    i was trying to work on this site but its not working with me, loading takes ages !

  17. #1077
    Quote Originally Posted by sirmo7 View Post
    small question, u mean logs the same logs used in worldoflogs site?

    i was trying to work on this site but its not working with me, loading takes ages !
    If the upload is stuck then the log is too large.

  18. #1078
    Just how good/bad is the 4set?
    I am seeing a few top-tier warriors use it but I haven't seen any numbers on how good it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirmo7 View Post
    small question, u mean logs the same logs used in worldoflogs site?

    i was trying to work on this site but its not working with me, loading takes ages !
    Yeah, Worldoflogs.com ^^

  20. #1080
    Quote Originally Posted by Hemingway View Post
    Just how good/bad is the 4set?
    I am seeing a few top-tier warriors use it but I haven't seen any numbers on how good it is.
    It's not spectacular. I wont take tier over DPS and healers unless it is really good. All tank gear gets defaulted to me anyways so taking tier when I don't need it is counterproductive for my raid.

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