1. #1221
    The enchant question is pretty easy for me to be honest:

    What are you gemming in your gear? I am pretty sure its avoidance and not strength, I see no reason to change that for your enchant also. As a tank you are urged to reduce your damage intake as much as possible while keeping your damage dealt as high as possible, Rivers Song gives you the best of both worlds (It is also stronger the more vengeance you have, whereas Dancing Steel is not).

  2. #1222
    What Clampy said is true. If River Song is poop then all your avoidance gemming should be poop aswell. That assumes that you do not profit from Riposte much which either means you are low on avoidance or not tanking a target long enough.
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    ok ty much guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorker View Post
    What Clampy said is true. If River Song is poop then all your avoidance gemming should be poop aswell. That assumes that you do not profit from Riposte much which either means you are low on avoidance or not tanking a target long enough.
    The gemming and forging are constant. The riversong proc is not. In order get crit rating boost from riversong, riversong must proc prior to riposte proccing. If river's song procs during your current state of riposte, the boost to your dodge rating isn't factored into your crit boost. Dancing steel procs will always be a dps boost no matter when the proc occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongoose6 View Post
    The gemming and forging are constant. The riversong proc is not. In order get crit rating boost from riversong, riversong must proc prior to riposte proccing. If river's song procs during your current state of riposte, the boost to your dodge rating isn't factored into your crit boost. Dancing steel procs will always be a dps boost no matter when the proc occurs.
    Yes but the magnitude of increase in DPS rivers song gives relative to dancing steel is immense, they break even at 50k vengeance
    When you are consistently playing with at LEAST 300k, even taking into account the downtime you have said rivers song is VASTLY superior

    In my current gear I have around 55% Dodge + Parry, that puts riposte going up roughly, just over, once every 3.5 seconds on average. So realistically the whole thing about rivers song needing to be up with riposte refreshed is fairly negligible

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongoose6 View Post
    The gemming and forging are constant. The riversong proc is not. In order get crit rating boost from riversong, riversong must proc prior to riposte proccing. If river's song procs during your current state of riposte, the boost to your dodge rating isn't factored into your crit boost. Dancing steel procs will always be a dps boost no matter when the proc occurs.
    Actually this does not play into it at all. because you also have a chance to maintain the river song riposte boost after river song falls off. i.e. the chance that you don't proc rispote until 5 seconds into riversong is the same chance as not canceling riposte for 5 seconds after riversong drops off. So in fact, the negative impact you mention is not negligible. It is zero. Not to mention if your last riposte before a tank swap was during riversong, you will have the benefit of the xtra crit for 20seconds.

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    hi there. i'm going from alliance to horde. what race is "the best" for a tank class. at first i thought tauren, but maybe there is another cool race i do not see right now. orc? panda?

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    Hi, someone has probably done this by now but could anyone possibly post the latest Best in Slot Gear list for a Protection Warrior for Patch 5.4? Please be an updated list as I'm sure people's preference on what gear is Best in Slot may change from time to time. It will be very appreciated. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by siccora View Post
    hi there. i'm going from alliance to horde. what race is "the best" for a tank class. at first i thought tauren, but maybe there is another cool race i do not see right now. orc? panda?
    Well, the panda racial is pretty sick but I would have honestly suggested Orc for Axe spec and Blood Fury

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    Quote Originally Posted by siccora View Post
    hi there. i'm going from alliance to horde. what race is "the best" for a tank class. at first i thought tauren, but maybe there is another cool race i do not see right now. orc? panda?
    What do you mean by "best"? There's so little advantage between race bonuses that unless you're a top 10 raider it doesn't make a difference.

    Go with what you like, I love tauren as a tank class, especially warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trident00 View Post
    What do you mean by "best"? There's so little advantage between race bonuses that unless you're a top 10 raider it doesn't make a difference.

    Go with what you like, I love tauren as a tank class, especially warriors.
    Despite probably the weakest tanking racials, I'm undead. Undead are awesome. Fight the power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaritte View Post
    Actually this does not play into it at all. because you also have a chance to maintain the river song riposte boost after river song falls off. i.e. the chance that you don't proc rispote until 5 seconds into riversong is the same chance as not canceling riposte for 5 seconds after riversong drops off. So in fact, the negative impact you mention is not negligible. It is zero. Not to mention if your last riposte before a tank swap was during riversong, you will have the benefit of the xtra crit for 20seconds.
    Alright alright *grumble grumble grumble* You guys have never steered me wrong in the past. I'll give riversong a whirl. Thanks for the input

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddytheone View Post
    I do indeed ^^

    Not factoring in armor though and some numbers seem a *little* lower than in practice than on the spreadsheet but it gives a good rough idea and assuming a max HP of 1.1 million;
    Thanks a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddytheone View Post
    Well, the panda racial is pretty sick but I would have honestly suggested Orc for Axe spec and Blood Fury
    yep, turned out to be female orc :P

  15. #1235
    I've been using the Safeguard macro alot lately. There are alot of dual tank encounters in the current tier, especially the last two bosses come to my mind.

    Safeguard
    Code:
    /cast [@targettarget,help,nodead][@mouseover,help,nodead][@target,help,nodead][@focus,help,nodead] Safeguard
    @targettarget can fuck you up though if you are targeted.

    Block (barrier uses the same)
    Code:
    #show Shield Block
    /cast Demoralizing Shout
    /cast Stoneform
    /cast Shield Block
    Burst
    Code:
    #show Dragon Roar
    /cast Berserker Rage
    /cast [mod:shift] Skull Banner
    /cast Bloodbath
    /cast Dragon Roar
    Charge
    Code:
    #show Charge
    /cast Heroic Throw
    /cast Berserker Rage
    /cast Charge
    Taunt
    Code:
    #show Taunt
    /cast Heroic Throw
    /cast Berserker Rage
    /cast Taunt
    Do you have any favorite macros?

    I got lucky and got the cooldown reduce macro. Where do you put in recklessness? According to my calculation it is on 2min 29sec cooldown now (21%). Currently I have it macroed to SS and Devastate so I use it as soon as possible.
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    So we got Iron Juggernaut hc down on the 2nd attempt last night..

    Had 17 pulls on Dark Shamans, best attempt being 16%. I was tanking Wavebinder or w/e she's called, with a Disc Priest, Elemental Shaman, Demo Lock (affli offspec), and Survival hunter.

    The blobs didn't seem to be a problem, one 60+rage barrier and I could leap/thunderclap them without taking much/if any damage.

    Just wanted to know what talents people were taking for this fight, if tanking Wavebinder? I was using shockwave, but can't help thinking bladestorm would have been better to just blitz every other wave of adds.

    We have a Guardian Druid and Frost DK (who went blood spec for the 3 tank strat) on Haromm. DK started on Wavebinder, but I was barely taking any damage on Haromm, so we switched. Would either of those be better at tanking Wavebinder?

    I was thinking a glyphed death and decay for the 50% slow on blobs, coupled with a frost trap, could be beneficial. However our Guardian Druid is running round with 79% crit when raid buffed, so she could cleave them down as they spawn?

    Thanks in advance,

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    I would honestly suggest Dragon Roar for tanking Wavebinder, I'm not really a fan of bladestorm at all
    Take mass Spell Reflect for the extra reflect on her frost strike as its around 600k per hit

    For tanking Wavebinder warrior does it pretty excellently, better than most other classes
    Just run in circles around her when shes spawning blobs and let the ranged cleave them down, they will die in seconds

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    I do agree with eddy here. I decided to switch to BS this week for the farm kill, and yeah, my DPS went up significantly but I won't call it a good decision. Ranged melt the blobs anyways as long as you stack them correctly, and Bladestorm can end in you taking unnecesary damage to basically pad the damage meter. I would go with DR for the 1st kill for damage on the Shaman. Also, the whole double reflect makes you the perfect one to tank the Wavebinder. It's a good 10 million damage reflect back to her at the end of the combat. No spikes on you, good free damage on her.

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    Yeah I figured the stacking of adds was key, and the circle running was the easiest method Think we just sucked with positioning the Toxic Storms.

    Should get her down tonight, thanks for the replies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrysia View Post
    I was thinking a glyphed death and decay for the 50% slow on blobs, coupled with a frost trap, could be beneficial.
    Piercing howl (for adds if needed) + mass spell reflect/spell reflect = you are pretty much the better tank for your group on her! Could also glyph for resonating power and hit them with a hard TC toss in DR+BB to start and they should melt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorker View Post

    Do you have any favorite macros?

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    The only thing that I have different is my macros toss in the other talent options so that I always use the same say "burst" macro no matter if I have DR or SW or BS talented same for BB, Avatar or SB.

    I take it the shift condition for your burst makes it so you press it everythgin goes off then when you hit shift you will drop banner so you get Droar off and then drop banner correct? If so looks like I need to add that much easyer that way than my DR+BB macro + I win button.
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