1. #1381
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    THis isnt true at all. I have survived a 4th blast with a sac monk bubble and barrier multiple times.
    Gliff u switched to crit build?

    do u think its nice for 10m raiding? starting HC next week

  2. #1382
    Quote Originally Posted by sirmo7 View Post
    Gliff u switched to crit build?

    do u think its nice for 10m raiding? starting HC next week
    I'm actually a 25 man tank and I hold the same opinion that I have had all tier, that you need to figure out what works for you and your guild. I can tell you that I have loved every second of avoidance but I encourage you to do some testing of your own on farm nights.

    I'm crit at the moment because on Siegecrafter I feel my damage is a bit low from where it should be and I'm gonna test crit on the first few pulls on Sunday night. I have all the gems needed to go back avoidance if I'm getting wrecked.

  3. #1383
    Hey, I was wondering if you guys could help me out improving my tanking. This is the first expansion I have a warrior on maximum level, so I'm still getting used to it. This afternoon, I pugged the first 7 normals and the healers were complaining that I was a bit hard to heal. I decided to log this run 'cause I had heard that before on some flex runs. Here are the logs: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/dmqrjvsx0mvs193t/ if someone could take a look to see if they can spot blatantly obvious stuff that I'm doing wrong.

    As for my char, the link is the signature, if you could also give an opinion about the gearing strategy. I'm doing an avoidance build, since that's what people suggested me in this thread a few weeks ago. I'm using parry gems on red slots, parry+stam on blue and mastery on yellow, which was the only way I found that would allow me to keep parry % ~= 3 * dodge %.

  4. #1384
    Use dodge gems in yellow slots. Balance of Parry/dodge rating is not the important. We are talking a loss of a few 10ths of 1%.

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    You need to use Berserker Rage more. Macro it into abilities if you need to. Your shield block uptime is a bit low but not too bad.

    Use Dragon roar and bloodbath.

    Honestly you dont look to be doing anything wrong enough that you would be hard to heal.

  5. #1385
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    Honestly you dont look to be doing anything wrong enough that you would be hard to heal.
    I'm going to have to agree, the only thing that's a bit hard to see in logs would be something one of my offtanks has a habbit of. Good old back turning, never turn your back, even while moving strave in a way that your "front" is always tot he boss. That's something that especially on add fights can make damage pretty spikey.
    Odeanathus is one of those people who get's a job driving the special bus just to make fun of the disabled kids....

  6. #1386
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    Use dodge gems in yellow slots. Balance of Parry/dodge rating is not the important. We are talking a loss of a few 10ths of 1%.

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    You need to use Berserker Rage more. Macro it into abilities if you need to. Your shield block uptime is a bit low but not too bad.

    Use Dragon roar and bloodbath.

    Honestly you dont look to be doing anything wrong enough that you would be hard to heal.
    Guess it could just be that I'm a bit low geared for 6th boss onward, which where they started complaining. I save berserker rage to use with enraged regen and since I have them macro'ed I kinda forget about it when I'm not about to take heavy damage that would require some self healing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odeanathus View Post
    I'm going to have to agree, the only thing that's a bit hard to see in logs would be something one of my offtanks has a habbit of. Good old back turning, never turn your back, even while moving strave in a way that your "front" is always tot he boss. That's something that especially on add fights can make damage pretty spikey.
    I don't think I'm doing that, not after being yelled at during naxx while tanking on my pala a few years ago

  7. #1387
    Quote Originally Posted by Sepharoth View Post
    Guess it could just be that I'm a bit low geared for 6th boss onward, which where they started complaining. I save berserker rage to use with enraged regen and since I have them macro'ed I kinda forget about it when I'm not about to take heavy damage that would require some self healing.



    I don't think I'm doing that, not after being yelled at during naxx while tanking on my pala a few years ago
    I use BR on CD and I have a 75% uptime on enrage. The odds are that you will be enraged when you use ER.

    You are a bit undergeared but on Shamans (the fight they thought you were hard to heal on) I found that a Barrier spam is much better then Shield block. Maybe try that. Time your barriers to always eat the Frostshock/Froststrike and you will be amazed how stable your damage intake is.

    Frostshock can also be spell reflected AND mass spell reflected so that also helps. I'm always on Haromm 100% of the fight so I never get to reflect

    Also get River's Song for your weapon if you can afford it.

    GL man.

  8. #1388
    Back-turning is bad but it isn't nearly as bad as it used to be in BC/Vanilla where a crushing blow could obliterate you if your health was low. Now it's just a regular melee hit, unmitigated.

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    Any sick siegecrafter hc tricks for prot ? :P

  10. #1390
    Berserker Rage>Dragon Roar>Shield Block>Shield Slam after Death from above. Unleash rape mode . Just killed him, prot warrior is insanely good for Shredders.
    Last edited by Tofifi; 2013-10-27 at 11:14 PM.

  11. #1391
    Make sure to heroic leap in after death from above as well! Extra damage is good, if you get it under 20% with Dragon Roar and Shield Slam after death from above you can get in a buffed Execute as well.

  12. #1392
    2pT16 is awesome.
    My whole raid died during Blackfuse and I finished his last 2% or so alone, my life barely moved (well, until I go "eh, I'm full life, have 60 Rage and he's nearly dead, why not Execute?" and he gives me my fourth of fifth stack od debuff without anything up. But, he died anyway, so... )
    Wasn't a first kill, but so the ts wasn't all "go! go! go!" but still. It's one of the first time in my warprot life that when my healers die I still have things under control and survive a while.

    I want it to be baseline so badly. D:
    Warrior soloing spreadsheet.

    Ittle Dew (Any%): 12:13
    Super Meat Boy (Any%): 21:50

  13. #1393
    Normal I take it right.... lol

    If that's heroic then I am impressed.

    On a side note, I killed H Siegecrafter tonight with a full crit build. Still used Tank meta and cloak.
    Last edited by Gliff; 2013-10-28 at 07:33 AM.

  14. #1394
    I used normal parry build, tank cloak/meta with DPS trinkets (which i always use anyway).
    Make sure to heroic leap in after death from above as well! Extra damage is good, if you get it under 20% with Dragon Roar and Shield Slam after death from above you can get in a buffed Execute as well.
    Yeah deffinetely heroic leap. Dunno maybe it's 25man but on 10 after DR > Shield Slam it's dead.

  15. #1395
    It is on 25 man also.

    I will say this after my night of full crit, you do a ton more damage but I literally melted a couple times. In 100 attempts before tonight on Siegecrafter I may have had 5 deaths total. Tonight I had like 6 in 30 attempts.

    There was an attempt I was doing 800k DPS using the 2 tank strat. If you are short on damage go crit. It is a huge difference. In hindsight I should have stayed avoidance. We were fine on DPS. On Thursday we were behind where we wanted to be by about 20%. We fixed a ton of shit which made my extra damage not needed.

  16. #1396
    Going to be throwing in a few attempts tonight, help me out gliff tankwise it's something like this right:

    Me: 3 Stacks -> Kill shredder
    OT: 1 Stack
    Me: 2 stacks (5 total) -> Kill Shredder
    OT: 2 stacks (3 total)
    Me: 1 stack (6 total) -> Kill Shredder
    OT: 2 stacks (5 total)
    Me: 1 stack (7 total) -> Kill Shredder

    Or how do people rotate that debuff exactly? We're 10 man and we're running with the postioning boss @ crawler mine & shredder spawn tactic. So actually even the OT should be doing damage to the Shredder when it spawns but I'm curious about the exact rotation.
    Odeanathus is one of those people who get's a job driving the special bus just to make fun of the disabled kids....

  17. #1397
    Your OT will actually kill the 4th Shredder in order to let your fall off and then his fall off.

    This is how we did it:

    Me: 3 Stacks ->Shredder 1 (Use CDs on this)

    OT: 2 Stacks

    Me: 2 Stacks(5 total) -> Shredder 2 (The shredder spawns like 5 seconds before the second stack here so you will have to hold the boss for a little bit) Use a full barrier on the first stack and Demo/full barrier on the second one.

    OT: 2 Stacks(4 total)

    Me: 1 Stack(6 Total)-> Shredder 3. Shield Wall +Barrier to survive. I called for a sac just to be safe.

    OT: 2 Stacks(7 total)-> Shredder 4

    Me: 4 Stacks(4 total)-> Shredder 1 (Spawns about 3 seconds before the 4th stack) (Use CDs on this)

    This shredder represents the reset because you will have a fresh stack on 4 and your OT will have 0. That ios why I call it Shredder 1 again. From this point its pretty much the exact same as the start.

    The reason I let my OT take 7 is because Warriors will have by far the easiest time killing their shredder. You dont need the 7th stack. The reason you take 4 stacks before the second "Shredder 1" is because your OT will not have to kill another shredder so extra stacks on him will be wasted.

    OT: 2 Stacks(2 total)

    Me: 1 stack (5 total) -> Shredder 2

    OT: 2 stacks (4 total)

    Me: 1 Stack (6 total) -> Shredder 3

    OT: 3 Stacks (7 total)

    The boss SHOULD die here if you have high DPS. If you have lower DPS then you will have ONE more shredder for the OT in which you will be dragging the boss along with missiles.
    Last edited by Gliff; 2013-10-28 at 09:41 AM.

  18. #1398
    Thanks gliff, will give this a whirl tonight then How hard did you guys find it? (We found Thok suprisingly easy last night, but that's just our guild really, a fight like Malkorok gives us wipe after wipe due to retardation but a simple numbers fight like Thok we ace -.-)
    Odeanathus is one of those people who get's a job driving the special bus just to make fun of the disabled kids....

  19. #1399
    The hardest fight since Lei Shen easily.

    Its pretty unforgiving and extremely annoying when you wipe because of the belt group. It took us 130 attempts and 100 were probably belt grp related.

  20. #1400
    Yea, it's the 1 fight I'd consider the crit build on TBH because all of the lethal damage comes in the form of a single nuke that you have many CD's for. Tank damage is also abnormally important for shredders.

    And what Senen did is possible on heroic too - 10m at least (for the 2%). I've pulled the boss on 25H as a joke by myself and lived for over a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
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    We did the same thing except I taunted off at 6 on the OT and took it to 5 for shredder 1 (reset shredder). You can heroic leap dragon roar to help the OT finish it off if they lack burst (We have a bear).

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