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  1. #1881
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flawless101 View Post
    Defending your opinion isn't my issue. You just manage to do it in a manner that appears to piss people off, perhaps its because you're pretentious and you always have to get the last word in, even if you are wrong. Then again, what do I know I just have to read your crap.
    Nobody has managed to prove me wrong yet, and I'm comfortable admitting it when it happens.

    But you're right about one thing; I'm pissing people off, and I don't particularly want to.

    Your wish is my command - I'm out.

  2. #1882
    .......Sooooooo...... Did anyone see the game at Dodger Stadium yesterday?

  3. #1883
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    Honestly, this argument is pointless though. Next expansion Vengeance will only effect defensive abilities and tank DPS will be based 100% on all the things that effect DPSers DPS, rather then your vengeance.
    Exactly Gliff and it is something I posted a few pages back. For tanks high DPS = high survivability because it means you are doing your rotation right and giving yourself the resources that your class needs to use your AM. With vengeance this was harder to tell unless you went into logs and saw their ability usage. Now if you see a Tanks DPS lower than it should be you know he is costing your raid in DPS and survivability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
    Nobody has managed to prove me wrong yet, and I'm comfortable admitting it when it happens.
    How can one prove an opinion to be wrong? It's just not doable because it's an opinion.
    But maybe the fact that pretty much no one seems to agree with your here might give you a hint how people feel about your opinion that pre-cata tanking was oh so amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    .......Sooooooo...... Did anyone see the game at Dodger Stadium yesterday?
    The hockey game was yesterday? Fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu. Who won?



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    Stop bickering and derailing the thread now



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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    The hockey game was yesterday? Fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu. Who won?
    Ducks. I was there and it was awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
    So I shouldn't be allowed to defend my own opinion?
    It's not about defending opinion, it's about stopping a pissing contest that brings nothing good to this thread.
    If you want to keep arguing with him, just pm him.

    If the original discussion about "threat vs AM" could have been interesting, what has been posted the last few days wasn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    Ducks. I was there and it was awesome.
    I know you're trying to light things up (not sure about this idiom, I hope I got it right ), but counter-derailing a derailing thread is not the way we proceed (well, at least not on a MMO-C class forum).
    So, please, if you want to make this thread go in the right way again, try to propose a relevant conversation.
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    So eddy, when you gonna do a scumbagging guide for SoO ? :P
    Did you ever do p2 for tot btw ? Think i missed it

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    We're consistently clearing SoO every week at this point and working on some heroics (2/14 yay).

    Our druid tank has been solo tanking Immerseus for quite awhile but what other fights are reasonably soloable? I'm a shit fury DPS but I figure practice makes perfect so I might as well try if we have the chance. I've heard Norushen can be done but we're doing that on heroic every week now. I'd expect Thok is the only other?

  11. #1891
    On 25man, the following bosses are able to be solo tanked. (That I know of, may be others as well)

    Immerseus
    Protectors
    Norushen
    Sha
    Juggernaut
    Thok
    Garrosh

    With that said, I wouldn't recommend doing it on any of them but Protectors and maybe Thok if you have issues with dps.

  12. #1892
    Ah forgot IJ, makes sense. Also we're 10 man.

    We're still kinda on the edge with Garry so we probably won't solo him. How do you handle the Pride on Sha?

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    Tips for HC blackfuse? I dont start tanking the boss I take the second add and I usually lack DPS to kill it even with saw or fire.

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    Sha of Pride is something you shouldn't solo tank until you are at the stage where all you care about is ranking high on the logs. What you do is that you let a dps taunt the boss just as he's about to put the debuff on you, then you taunt back. It doesn't have any benefit to just two tanking it, and it adds the risk of the dps dying from a melee swing, but it's a good way for the tank to pad to get good ranks.

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    On Sigecrafter Warriors are in general the best at killing the Shreder, but it can take some practise to get used to, I do really recommend that you read this thread and read all the tips that has been given there.
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1442024-Siegecrafter-25-Man-Heroic-Prot-War-Guide

    But to give a few general tips to make it easier to kill your Shreder. Take Dragon Roar and either Storm Bolt or Bloodbath. Make sure that you have Shield Block up each time you use Shield Slam. Save your Dragon Roar for when the Shreder has done his leap, as he takes 100% extra damage for 3globals. Make sure that in those three globals you do as much damage as you humanly can, what I personally do is I Leap in, shield slam > Dragon Roar > If I have a Hold the Line proc Revenge, if you have Resonating Power Thunderclap, if it's under 20% Execute. Make sure that you also use Heroic Strike during that timeperiod if you need even more damage. If you chose to go with Storm Bolt make sure you use it just before the Shreder lands and while you are at max range, that way it won't land before the damage buff is applied to the target, and you basically squeezed in a forth global into the damage window. If you go with Bloodbath make sure that you use it in such a fashion that you'll get the full benefit of it, meaning you should use it almost as soon as you start whacking in the Shreder.

  15. #1895
    Quote Originally Posted by Karjis View Post
    Tips for HC blackfuse? I dont start tanking the boss I take the second add and I usually lack DPS to kill it even with saw or fire.
    If your dont start tanking the boss and you are killing the second add then your raid is doing it very wrong.

    Warrior pulls boss
    Stack 1 (1)
    Stack 2 (2)
    Stack 3 (3)

    Tank 2 taunts the boss and Warrior kills first add
    Stack 4 (1)
    Stack 5 (2)

    Warrior Taunts boss
    Stack 6 (4)
    Stack 7 (5) (The stack happens after the second add spawns so you need to tank both for like 3 seconds)

    Tanks 2 taunts boss and Warrior kills second add
    Stack 8 (3)
    Stack 9 (4)

    Warrior Taunts boss
    Stack 10 (6)

    Tank 2 taunts boss and Warrior kills third add
    Stack 11 (5)
    Stack 12 (6)
    Stack 13 (7)
    (Warrior's debuff will have fallen off during this time)

    Warrior taunts boss and Tank 2 kills the 4th add with 7 stacks.
    Stack 14 (1)
    Stack 15 (2)
    Stack 16 (3)
    Stack 17 (4) (The add might spawn a couple seconds after this stack so you may have to tank both for a couple of seconds.
    (Tank 2's debuff will have fallen off during this time)

    Tank 2 taunts the boss and Warrior kills the 5th add
    Stack 18 (1)
    Stack 19 (2)

    Warrior taunts the boss
    Stack 20 (5)

    Tank 2 taunts boss and Warrior kills the 6th add
    Stack 21 (3)
    Stack 22 (4)

    Warrior taunts boss
    Stack 23 (6)

    Tank 2 taunts boss and Warrior kills 7th add
    Stack 24 (5)
    Stack 25 (6)
    Stack 26 (7)
    Warrior stacks reset here

    Warrior Taunts boss and Tank 2 kills the 8th add

    Boss should be dying around here.

    Here it is in video:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    If your dont start tanking the boss and you are killing the second add then your raid is doing it very wrong.

    Warrior pulls boss
    Stack 1 (1)
    Stack 2 (2)
    Stack 3 (3)

    Tank 2 taunts the boss and Warrior kills first add
    Stack 4 (1)
    Stack 5 (2)

    Warrior Taunts boss
    Stack 6 (4)
    Stack 7 (5) (The stack happens after the second add spawns so you need to tank both for like 3 seconds)

    Tanks 2 taunts boss and Warrior kills second add
    Stack 8 (3)
    Stack 9 (4)

    Warrior Taunts boss
    Stack 10 (6)

    Tank 2 taunts boss and Warrior kills third add
    Stack 11 (5)
    Stack 12 (6)
    Stack 13 (7)
    (Warrior's debuff will have fallen off during this time)

    Warrior taunts boss and Tank 2 kills the 4th add with 7 stacks.
    Stack 14 (1)
    Stack 15 (2)
    Stack 16 (3)
    Stack 17 (4) (The add might spawn a couple seconds after this stack so you may have to tank both for a couple of seconds.
    (Tank 2's debuff will have fallen off during this time)

    Tank 2 taunts the boss and Warrior kills the 5th add
    Stack 18 (1)
    Stack 19 (2)

    Warrior taunts the boss
    Stack 20 (5)

    Tank 2 taunts boss and Warrior kills the 6th add
    Stack 21 (3)
    Stack 22 (4)

    Warrior taunts boss
    Stack 23 (6)

    Tank 2 taunts boss and Warrior kills 7th add
    Stack 24 (5)
    Stack 25 (6)
    Stack 26 (7)
    Warrior stacks reset here

    Warrior Taunts boss and Tank 2 kills the 8th add

    Boss should be dying around here.

    Here it is in video:

    Okey thanks . Just asking in the video the second add is near the boss for fairly long time, is the DPS helping you to kill it or can you do it alone with 5 stacks?

    Edit also is this doable in 10man. OR is it 25man exclusive tactic
    Last edited by Karjis; 2014-01-28 at 01:36 AM.

  17. #1897
    DPS dont touch any of them. I have it there because at that point I can out DPS the heal from the boss and I know the other tank was gonna pull the boss to the mines.

    I have no idea for 10 man. I'm pretty sure the stacks and shredder rotation would be the exact same though.

  18. #1898
    Quote Originally Posted by trident00 View Post
    Ah forgot IJ, makes sense. Also we're 10 man.

    We're still kinda on the edge with Garry so we probably won't solo him. How do you handle the Pride on Sha?
    On 10 man normal you can solo tank Immerseus, Protectors, Norushen, Malkorok, Spoils (this is just a theory, since Spoils is actually doable with 0 healers as well, but I imagine having a tank on one side that opens the big and mediums while the other side kills all the smalls, then he switches could be viable with high enough dps), Thok, Siegecrafter, Paragons, and Garrosh.

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    Also how do you solo tank Sha? get to 30% before second Swelling Pride? I feel like you'd get mind controlled on the second one if not the first…
    Edit: Reading comprehension, I just read the explanation that someone posted.

  19. #1899
    with the add nerf you can kill the add right on top of the boss. just letting your co tank help you with it. but the first one you have to kill it by yourself.

  20. #1900
    Quote Originally Posted by siccora View Post
    with the add nerf you can kill the add right on top of the boss. just letting your co tank help you with it. but the first one you have to kill it by yourself.
    Jesus H Christ. Why didn't I think of that last night.
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