I was actually only bashing this part of your post. It is a serious problem and what causes hunters concerns to go unfixed for years. We have several very vocal hunters trying to convince the vast majority we are "fine" or "not as bad" as stated.but we arent that bad as you point out. in 25 man i seen hunters do competitive damage.
I apologize if I was snippy with you, that was not my intention... I just have become completely jadded by the hunter communities lack of understanding and when one does actually have a small understanding they downplay it by saying its not as bad as portrayed.
we are not dead last and trust me, you can outdps bad players even if they play OP specs.
in my guild our locks are garbage, our ele shaman is OK our rogué is beast and same with our dk, still in some fights i keep up and even beat rogué and dk.
not like im ALWAYS dead last. there are fights where i cant compete and thats OK i dont want to be top every fight but there are fights where others cant compete (lei shen) with me.
The main problem is in top 25hc guilds when progression occurs. When you have same geared & skilled variety of classes to choose from hunters would only get a spot for soaking agi mail if you had no deacent enh shammy. With lower iLvL in the first weeks the most important thing is overall raid utility followed by dps (usually there are more mdot fights than sustained aoe) so we rather loose a spot for boomkin/lock/sp/mage. We even do not have any kiting like we used to have in previous tiers and usually are offered a shitty jobs to kick/click/activate something.
Yes we have aoe sunders on a shitty cd (rather as it is not on demand), as 5.4 goes its possible rouges will get aoe sunders via glyph on FoK.
The more you post the more you prove the point I make... did you seriously try and say we are ok because we can beat bad players even if they play a OP spec??? /facepalmwe are not dead last and trust me, you can outdps bad players even if they play OP specs.
Ancedotal evidence is ancedotal... again this means nothing. I used to play for a top 100 guild, I quit progressive raiding and play with friends for fun and I usually beat all of them, how in the world does that mean anything? I have 10 times more skill than those around so I top meters so hunters are ok????in my guild our locks are garbage, our ele shaman is OK our rogué is beast and same with our dk, still in some fights i keep up and even beat rogué and dk.
/omg someone slap me
If no one can compete with you on LeiShen you seriously out skill them. You should be well behind 2 mage specs locks fury's feral druids and rets at a minimum.not like im ALWAYS dead last. there are fights where i cant compete and thats OK i dont want to be top every fight but there are fights where others cant compete (lei shen) with me.
This is just another one of those... I do fine in my guild (because I out skill them all) so we are ok post. Go look at your logs, check what percentile your running in and then check the other people in your guild. I can guarentee you your 20 percentile higher than anyone else if your beating them.
Sometimes even 1-2% makes a difference. It realy does not matter if you are top 3 or 30, when you have a full roster of equally geared & skilled ppl with variety of clases to choose from.
This is the actual problem. I do not think on st fight its that terrible. Its just our class does not have any mechanic that is usefull in dps gains (dynamic scaling 90+%).
Last edited by vooyas; 2013-07-07 at 02:22 PM.
All I got after reading this entire thread, is that there is way too many people here who still think the Hunter class is fine, silencing shot or not.
Personally, I have never been asked to interrupt on a boss in this tier or that last, so losing silencing shot wasn't a big deal to me since I couldn't care less about PvP, regardless of how overpowered we are considered. I can see how losing silencing shot in PvP is bad and my heart does go out to the PvP Hunters of the community.
What concerns me the most is the people saying "gear your alt then and reroll." Some of us don't have that luxury. I barely have time to raid 4 times a week, so how on earth am I going to manage to level an alt, gear it up properly and get it ready to raid Heroic content? It's not going to happen. I'd rather play the class I picked in the first place as my main, instead of swapping between classes depending on what's flavor of the month.
"I CAN USE MYSELF AS A BLOCK" - Mike B aka Fony, Platforming Master
Long story short, kennyloggins or not...If you have the delusion that hunters are going to be preffered to a boomkin / mage / warlock / eventualy a shaman during 5.4 progress, if it would be released tommorow, as a ranged class, then you my friend are in a land of ponies and rainbows.
cant belive someone actually thinks wow is driven around pvp. blame blizzard not arenasWorld of PVP....ever since TBC. Arenas ruined alot of cool spells, and abilities for PVE.
If stampede was baned from arenas and their cc nerfed against players no one would care about what pvp guy says. Again, blame blizzard for their shortsight, it is not both the communities that rage around it.I wanna say this ... and I am, if they made Silencing shot baseline I can almost bet 100% that every PVPr would foam at the mouth with outrage. It's why PVE Hunters are where they are .... because 1 moron in PVP has an issue with a hunter and next thing you know hunters are slammed with a nerf bat because "Hunter's are OP!!!!!!!1111111"
Last edited by Naztrak; 2013-07-07 at 05:49 PM.
I honestly agree with Kibu, even though I really don't want to. It may still be early in the PTR, but they could at least just throw us some semblance of a bone. Anything would be fine except the generic "we hear you" responses. Reassurance will calm people, but when you state there will be compensation and then go hiding for weeks it rustles peoples feathers. They don't need to update us every step of the way, but just communicating goes a long way.
Bad Hunter's always gonna... complain...
So here is the thing.
Hunter number 1 on dps... Ok everyone suck's...
Hunter number 5 on dps...Ok Hunter's suck's.