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    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    I'd like to see Lor'themar Theron become the next leader, just to watch the forum belf haters have a meltdown of epic proportions.
    I'd like to see this just to see Sylvannus's expression when Lor'themar rolls up on her and says, "Look who's taking orders now Be'yotch!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    So now any main character is a mary sue.

    ok, I'm ignoring you, your honestly are incapable of having a well thought out conversation.
    Apart from Voldemort, HP is the only person in the world to have survived the Avada Kedavra curse, immediately putting him with the big hitters.

    Despite being bullied and abused by his cousin and Uncle and Aunt, he remains level headed and earnest.

    Even though he was not brought up in the magic world, he shows an uncanny talent for it.

    He is the Pele of Quidditch, right from word go.

    The Sorting Hat gives all other pupils a quick appraisal but talks it's bollocks off when Harry is wearing it.

    A moody teen he may be at times, but he never looses sight of being ethical and noble.
    Nice to see you ignored the other part of my post, and you call me the one who can not have a 'well thought out conversation'. I certainly put a lot of thought in to my response to you, good sir!
    Quote Originally Posted by Valerean View Post
    I admire your passion for your favorite character, but If I were you I'd hesitate before drawing parallels between self-perceived societal malaise and how nerds feel about a fictional blob of green pixels created in 2001 by a guy called Chris.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    I've never known so many people in a community who 'hope' for good guys to die. Kind of gives a look at the downfall of society in this age.

    Then again we live in a time where teenagers would mug a war vet, film it on there phone and post it online for shits and giggles, so I shouldn't be surprised by this anymore.
    I admire your passion for your favorite character, but If I were you I'd hesitate before drawing parallels between self-perceived societal malaise and how nerds feel about a fictional blob of green pixels created in 2001 by a guy called Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Kyurem View Post
    Killing Thrall would be nothing but good for the story. New story-lines would open as the man who saved the Horde is dead, people will be uneasy, the new leader will not get the best reception, the Alliance will feel more confident. You might think Thrall is the essential lord and saviour of Warcraft but
    killing the most powerful shaman would do a lot for the story.
    The Alliance doesn't need to have Thrall out of the picture to feel confident. They've been winning the war, fighting conventionally, against Garrosh's spiraling depravity and atrocity. Please explain how killing off Thrall would "do a lot for the story"

    You're far too late for a game of thrones-esque storyline and besides such a storyline would have Sylvanas turned into bags of fertilizer long ago, as she deserved, along with just about everyone else in the leadership of Horde after Hellscream took over...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxilian View Post
    These is why i would like Thrall to die, to give someone else that oportunity, to show his/her value, cause right now the only one that shows the chance to see the Orcs as good is with Thrall, but what if Thrall die, and that makes many other orcs follow his example and then one of those Orcs may come up to lead them... That's what i want!, i want Blizzard to show that even if Thrall dies, his legacy will still live on, that the Orcs can be good without him, and with that they could take another character story and develope it (no i don't want a new character, i want an existing one like Agraa)
    The circumstances around the story make Thrall being a martyr impossible to work. He might be a martyr to the player orcs (by force from the story) and to his handful of supporters but look at the siege of orgrimmar. Nazgrim and countless other orcs of the Korkron are going to be dying in droves in this siege and doing it for Garrosh. Perhaps we can assume they all die at the end of SoO, along with Hellscream and Thrall and every other Orc of prominence; you've got a devastated race with a "clean slate". It could work but it destroys to Horde in the process...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    So you would be content with having a developed character, a hero, die making the excuse 'all stories need to end', but then you'd want them to rez Illidan, whos story did end in TBC?

    You don understand the horrible double standards of what your saying right.

    Anyway, screw this, I've gotten into enough of these pointless debates where it ends up the same.
    Hahaha, yeah you got a point, but Thrall story have been really good and his death can open a lot of good character story line, but also as many here may agree, Illidan story have not being that good as Thralls, Illidan story went really well with Warcraft 3 but in TBC it wasnt as good, i mean, even Blizzard said that Illidan didn't felt like a Villian that we most defeat like Arthas... and Trassk calm down i understand how you feel, is kind of stressing when people don't get what you say or start saying random things that make them look like they are contradicting themself (That happens a lot to me when i talk about Sylvanas)

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    All this arguing over the term Mary Sue could be solved if you just googled Mary Sue, and don't use the urban dictionary. Use the actual literal term used in literary circles, it means a character that is placed in a story that represents the author so the author can fantacise about being in that environment.

    I am glad Vol'Jin is the new Horde leader, he actually thinks about the other Factions and has true Horde Loyalty. Lo'Themar Theron was dipping his toes into conversing with Stormwind about leaving the Horde just before Jaina went all nutty. He has loyalty only to the Blood Elves and understandably so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    So now any main character is a mary sue.

    ok, I'm ignoring you, your honestly are incapable of having a well thought out conversation.
    I'm a long time lurker in these waters for a damn long time now, but you kind sir seem to confront 98% of the users here with arguments which always leads to an off topic discussion. If someone wants some character in a game to die, then i really don't think it has to do something with 'morbid fascination' or something like that, you're overthinking it and trying to hard to be the tough and smart guy.

    I really tought some minutes if i should post anything because my head always said: "Don't feed the Troll", but this one post had to be. A Forum is about opinions and thoughts and ideas, and even discussions but you are always stirring up discussions which lead to an off topic which is in no way related to the thread and in that matter you're even attacking people saying they have 'morbid fascinations' and you're even connecting a damn online gaming Forum with todays downfall of society... + Your first post in this Thread: Yes, maybe the OP wanted to get some speculation going, and some nice ideas i rly don't know why you directly insert such a post with a wanted touch of negativity and admonition.

    I don't know your posts always read like youre totally upset about other opinions and thoughts maybe this Forum isn't good for your blood pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    The circumstances around the story make Thrall being a martyr impossible to work. He might be a martyr to the player orcs (by force from the story) and to his handful of supporters but look at the siege of orgrimmar. Nazgrim and countless other orcs of the Korkron are going to be dying in droves in this siege and doing it for Garrosh. Perhaps we can assume they all die at the end of SoO, along with Hellscream and Thrall and every other Orc of prominence; you've got a devastated race with a "clean slate". It could work but it destroys to Horde in the process...
    Is true but remenber that Blizzard haven't shown the Orc´s citizen reaction..., they haven't shown how they see Garrosh, and how will they see the fight between their first and noble warchief (Thrall) and the new Warchief, how will they react if Garrosh kill Thrall in a public way? where they all can see? what do you think will happen if they see that and also look at how their new warchief are treating their allies, so... that may still works, and that may bring a new Orc hero rise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    No sunshine (and I'm 31, how old are you junior?), you just want such a character to die to feed a morbid fascination.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    So now any main character is a mary sue.

    ok, I'm ignoring you, your honestly are incapable of having a well thought out conversation.
    Trassk, you are disappointing me. You started this thread to have a discussion about Horde leader ideas and then start ignoring people and pulling the age card like some child because they have an opinion about a certain character or term in the discussion.

    People have their reasons to see a character as a Mary Sue. The meaning of Mary Sue has became very large and spread out these last ten years; it doesn't mean what it used to mean anymore, it has become broader. If people wish to see Thrall dead because he has played his part and done enough through out the expansions, then let them. I can see the reasons behind it but I can also name many other reasons against the idea.

    Most of us here in the General section of the forum are aware of how much you love the orcs and especially Thrall, but we don't need to have the same love to be able to talk and discuss with you. Lighten up and let people have their opinion and allow them to explain it further than cutting them off.


    On-topic:

    I see Vol'jin become the new warchief simply because he has proven to hold the Horde's believes in high regard and respect. His quote of "dis aint wat da Horde is about" during his scenario has been the most clear proof that he cares the most to make the Horde work as Thrall had imagined it. Lor'themar has been gaining some brownie points but I don't see him trying to achieve full power over the Horde. He only has the interest of his own people on his mind, or so it comes across on the isle of thunder.

    And yes, I see Thrall fading away in the background. I don't see him die, no... but I do see him retreat somewhere away from the Horde to tend to his son and wife. His judgement and choices haven't been in his favor as of late and with him saving the world, he has done his hero deed, he followed his destiny. He is done. I like Thrall, i have been a fangirl of his but even I have to admit that it is time for someone else to replace him and let him retire.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Hmmm no. Argued this so often its hitting the dead horse into a paste. He's not a mary sue just because you said he is, its just players bitching about nothing like they do everything else. The devs themselves called this up and said how stupid it sounded to keep bleaching it out.
    A lovng parent will never call his child retarded, even if it is. Thrall may not be completly Mary Sue'ish but he is very close to it. Call us sadists if you will, but some people just didnt saw thrall suffer that much, yeah we know that whole Thrall cloak quest line in Cata but that's not even remotely close to seeing him getting down to his knees in a recent event in which players actually participated in.

    Hardships build character and we havent really saw Thrall dealing with them much. Like "heart broken, clearly giving a painfull look" hardship.

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    thrall shall die, garrosh shall keep the warchief title, sylvanus will befriend bolvar then stab him in the back to become the new lich queen! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzudzadzo View Post
    Hardships build character and we havent really saw Thrall dealing with them much. Like "heart broken, clearly giving a painfull look" hardship.
    Actually we have seen Thrall facing way to many hardships but only in books like "The lord of the Clans" (I love that book!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    thrall shall die, garrosh shall keep the warchief title, sylvanus will befriend bolvar then stab him in the back to become the new lich queen! :P
    I have never understood... why people call her Sylvanus sometimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    thrall shall die, garrosh shall keep the warchief title, sylvanus will befriend bolvar then stab him in the back to become the new lich queen! :P
    Do you.... actually think that?

    Because now that he's the Living Vessel of Y'Shaarj, Garrosh kind of can't keep anyone but the most power-hungry orcs at his side.
    You don't create "justice" by destroying. That includes buildings, cars, or the careers of the people you want "justice" for.


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    I have never understood... why people call her Sylvanus sometimes?
    because my spelling is terrible <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxilian View Post
    I have never understood... why people call her Sylvanus sometimes?
    Same reason Rogues are called Rouges, I think. Unless Sylvanas' name was actually translated to other languages as it was in the Brazilian version (there she's just called Sylvana), that is.

    Oh, there we go. He actually replied. :P
    Trying to argue anything with any sort of nuance over Twitter is the intellectual equivalent of trying to trying to squeeze a cow through a keyhole. Sure, you might even be able to do it with enough brute force, and whatever comes out the other side might even still be considered to be "cow" in the technical sense, but it will be so mangled as to be completely unrecognizable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    because my spelling is terrible <3
    really?.... cause there are many people that call her that way... and is really strange... at least for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holtzmann View Post
    Same reason Rogues are called Rouges, I think. Unless Sylvanas' name was actually translated to other languages as it was in the Brazilian version (there she's just called Sylvana), that is.

    Oh, there we go. He actually replied. :P
    Yes, i actually call her Sylvana and not Sylvanas most of the time, but is only because in DR we tend to eat the "S" so when we say somethings we exclude the "S" :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandam View Post
    Probably Nazgrim will be the next Orc leader .

    Seems the most logical choice.

    And Thrall will be the Horde chief.
    Nazgrim is in the line up for the bosses in Seige of Orgimmar, so there's no way he will Warchief. Even if he survives after the raid content, he will not be a part of the New Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    I've never known so many people in a community who 'hope' for good guys to die. Kind of gives a look at the downfall of society in this age.

    Then again we live in a time where teenagers would mug a war vet, film it on there phone and post it online for shits and giggles, so I shouldn't be surprised by this anymore.
    Its just a game dude get a grip lol dont base what you see on games with real life,its just stupid.

    Anyways on another stupid note....

    BASIC CAMPFIRE FOR WARCHIEF!

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    P.D: Anyone know what happened to Maim, brother of Rend Blackhand?
    he died during the war against the dark iron dwarves for the control of blackrock mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    All this arguing over the term Mary Sue could be solved if you just googled Mary Sue, and don't use the urban dictionary. Use the actual literal term used in literary circles, it means a character that is placed in a story that represents the author so the author can fantacise about being in that environment.

    I am glad Vol'Jin is the new Horde leader, he actually thinks about the other Factions and has true Horde Loyalty. Lo'Themar Theron was dipping his toes into conversing with Stormwind about leaving the Horde just before Jaina went all nutty. He has loyalty only to the Blood Elves and understandably so.
    I guess it is hard to tell Metzen's true reason for creating Thrall but it's well known that one of his favorite character's is Thrall and he actually voices Thrall himself. For all we know Thrall could be Metzen's "Mary Sue". Anywho I don't think Thrall should die, I just don't think he should come back as leader of the Horde. Obvious answer is Vol'jin since he is leading the horde rebellion but who knows what will happen.

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