So you're fighting Shannox and get an !Aimed proc. You could drop it onto the boss, or you could let it slide onto that dog over there without anyone noticing.
Serpent Sting abuse is there, but much less common than fishing for CA crits. I could be wrong, but it feels as though the opportunities for CA whoring are very common.
You can't rank as SV on tortos (well a good rank anyways) unless your entire guild helps you out for that parse.. i.e. 100% on bats, stunning bats and kicking turtles through for the debuff, tricks, etc etc.. I've tried padding on that fight and the best I have done is 71 rank with 434k.. to come close to the 1 million dps top parse i'd need a miracle and the entire raid helping me as I mentioned..
And horridon, alot more people play BM for it now since the last patch and the boost to beast cleave.. And even the top SV parses are ppl who tunnel the boss.. So that statement is irrelevant.. All top parses are ppl who tunnel the boss on that fight.. the only difference being there are only a handful that play MM..
Same goes for every other fight.. only a handful of 'skilled' players play MM, solely cuz they're bored and they want #1 parses.. I too switched to MM not long ago out of boredom, without even practicing it in LFR and never having played the spec since firelands.. And I snagged multiple rank 1's.. While not knowing the optimal CA rotation and botching up my focus and ISS uptime etc etc.. Like the poster above said, a monkey could play MM and rank.. The only ppl who play MM are to put it bluntly, terrible players who can't ever get a rank as BM/SV and/or they are playing it cuz they 'love' the spec and aren't in progression guilds so their dps doesn't matter..
TL;DR, padding for high parses is different.. The sample size is still larger for BM/SV and exponentially smaller for MM..
not a long time ago on a Q&A with the Devs, GC mentioned hunters need some tweaking, maybe a revamp 'ish' would be the best. Our rotations are based in a huge load of spells. which makes things even worse for MM
My point was that cheesing happens in all specs. It's not a Marksmanship exclusive thing.
You're not getting the point.. it's not about cheesing opportunity.. 2 factors come into play when it comes to ranking.. sample size and sample quality.. 1) MM sample size is small.. 2) It's largely comprised of lower skilled players..
1) It's like if you were in a top guild and you got a rank on a fight that only 10 other guilds have killed.. as opposed to you getting a rank when 1000 other guilds have killed it.. Literally if I were to go into the raid (hypothetically if I am in a top 10 guild and i'm the 10th guild to kill the boss), and I bring out a monkey and put him on my chair and he starts wailing on the keyboard.. I will still end up ranking #10 or the last of however many hunters have killed it..
2) If at this point I were to do 10m normal mode Jinrokh.. where 8000+ guilds have killed it on heroic and only the extremely casual and less skilled player base are still killing it on normal.. then i'd have a much easier time ranking, regardless of spec..
Both sampling size and quality works against MM.. Granted there are a few solid players that play MM occasionally out of boredom, but they're not the majority..
But... that's exactly what I said in my first post. I'm not the one disagreeing that it's easy to rank as Marksmanship simply because no one plays it right now. All I said was that cheesing happens in all specs, and that's it's not harder as Marksmanship to cheese because of CA.
Anyway this conversation is getting nowhere and is off-topic to boot, if anyone feels like discussing something about this matter feel free to PM me.
Last edited by Bovan; 2013-06-18 at 11:28 AM.
Simple truth - lowest dps means that spec wont be played. Its not like wow is super complicated game. Getting used to new rotation, with all the addons help, takes "skilled players" around 2-3 hours tops.
If there is something that pushes MM away from being played is the fact that the dps it does is too low.
According to Simcraft
MM - 204k
SV - 207k
BM - 218k
Why is SV more popular then BM? Because pet uptime (due to crappy pet moving and other stuff) and some fight mechanics dont allow BM to aoe well so its actually lower in DPS than SV.
When blizzard put the BS with no teleport CD a lot of player switched to BM cause the above problem was fixed.
People always choose best dps spec. Even if its under 5% difference.
A flat 15% buff to AI could probably fix marks for competitive raiding. Why Blizz doesn't just do that, I don't know. It's not like AI is critting for half of people's health in pvp.
If anything and to prevent future hotfixes and changes, I'd say Steady Shot should be buffed instead. Maybe piercing shots as mentioned before.
I guess a big steady shot buff could fix marks, but then you'd still use arcane as a focus dump and you're not really playing MM anymore. I'd rather see an aimed buff so that AI spam is the way to go.
While I would like to see Marksmanship spam Aimed Shots as well, I don't think the current Arcane dump rotation is ''wrong''. I never fully understood why people are going to haywire over it.
Oh don't worry, that was more a general thing I'm seeing and not specifically aimed at you.
I really do want to see Marksmanship hardcast Aimed Shots. Marksmanship always felt like that spec that's supposed to crit often, very hard, but hardly fire off any shots. Unfortunately I don't think that will work out well in PvP.
Maybe you got rank 1 on heroic twins as MM because you have 547 ilvl playing a spec no one plays? Wow huge mystery there. /clap
No MM is not harder to play than any of the other specs. Hunters are not hard to play period. MM is the least played spec because it does less damage, that's all. Saying that playing MM affects your survive ability is disingenuous as well.. how does that have anything to do with the spec? You can still do your entire rotation on the move... that's a player problem, not a spec problem.
I hated MM since the start of cata, I don't like that hard casting crap making me feel like a caster not a hunter. Used MM twice in cata when it was top dps and hated it. I'm glad BM and surv are the top specs now. MM isn't hard, just personally not my playstyle.
Last edited by Goretex; 2013-06-19 at 08:03 AM.
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