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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    Ghostcrawler has been hinting at it for quite some time, I feel like player's complaints about LFR is starting to influence decision making within blizzard, and they're gonna discourage LFR more and more

    Rudy_Eighta ‏
    Now with FlexR getting implement, @Ghostcrawler could you remove tier pieces from LFR? They should only be accessible in FlexR/N/H raids

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @Rudy_Eighta We discussed that idea, but instead there will be items only available in F/N/H mode.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @trankten No LFR and flying wouldn't be too hard. Going back to old talents, weapon skill, old quests would be very hard.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @BobGuy51509464 We offered LFR to provide raiding back to those players. It worked reasonably well. But it doesn't quite feel like raiding.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @lambey332 LFR serves a valuable purpose, but it's ideally a back up plan, not the only way you experience WoW.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @KTVindicare @lambey332 You can see the content on Youtube. Experiencing a challenge and getting loot are fun too.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @bench333 @lambey332 How about content that actually challenges you? If that's not your thing, then stick to LFR.

    James ‏@ObviousTrollz 10
    @Ghostcrawler Any chance of removing the legendary quest line from LFR to allow raiders to keep some prestige?
    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @ObviousTrollz That would be a pretty harsh bait and switch at this stage, but F/N/H will have nice rewards not available in LFR.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @Torvaldus @seph1c0 Maybe, though I suspect some of it is they feel LFR devalues their raiding accomplishments or it just offends them

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @DeadRealms The main goal of LFR is convenience. Its rewards aren't intended to compete with the much harder N and H content.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @bench333 LFR makes it very complicated to have traditional normal tier progression.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @MrMadguy There is some truth to that. To earn a new boss kill in normal might take hours, maybe days. In LFR you burn through it all fast.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @pisuri We were trying to preserve the older tier a little, but that feels weird when you can jump into LFR and see everything.

    Greg Street ‏@Ghostcrawler
    @StephenReis123 LFR is a little worse for that because you see all the bosses quickly instead of working towards the last few.
    Oh for gods sake...STOP WITH THESE THREADS! Blizzard has said time and again repeatedly they aren't removing anything from LFR nor are they going to remove LFR itself. I said it before and I will say it again mind your own god damn business and stop worrying about what others are doing.

    ---------- Post added 2013-06-15 at 02:50 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    Not this expansion because like GC said it would be a harsh decision at this point. But it's clear that they are brainstorming solutions for LFR as you can see in the second tweet. It's safe to assume that big changes are gonna happen next expansion.

    ---------- Post added 2013-06-15 at 01:10 PM ----------



    Your point is? This is just another proof that they're gonna add exclusive content more and more to discourage players of doing LFR. It's obvious that they won't take anything away from LFR until the end of MOP.
    They aren't removing anything from LFR period. No ifs ands or buts about it. I don't know what is so confusing about the word "NO" to you people.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Worgoblin View Post
    Well, Blizzard disagrees with you, and thinks WoW can be for those with limited time. Do I think those with limited time should get the same rewards as those that play 24/7? Nope, definitely not. But things like LFR allow quick play sessions that still give decent rewards. I want them to add new exclusive rewards to Flex/N/H. That will be great. But at the same time, I do not want them to take anything away from LFR. Which I don't expect them to.
    I think the only thing holding you back from awesome gear should be your ability to play the game. If someone has to play the game 24/7 they are bad. You can clear every hard mode raiding 4 hours a week with a decent guild honestly. Pvp is just queueing up and learning to deal with shit rather then whining.
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    1. My name is spelt "God" not "Loucious-sama".
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  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Terridon View Post
    They say all the time they're happy with lfr.
    Also about the tier.
    They put something new, we havn't seen before in the flex/normal/HC raid from what they're saying now.

    Specifically said they didn't want to remove things from lfr.
    So no changes to that whats'o'ever.
    He's just saying the logic thing, in your quotes, that lfr has made some changes to how raiding works for people.

    Not even a remote hint that they want to remove it. Just that they want real raiders (yes lfr isn't raiding :P ) to be happy too

    edit:
    Post below quoted what i talked about.
    If it is a group of more than 5 people then yes it is in fact a raid as defined by Blizzard. Stop with the elitism.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule View Post
    So you like logging in for 2 hours once a week at a crap shoot for gear for bosses you don't get challenged by that only get easier with time?

    This game will die much quicker with players like you who will soon find shit else to do in game.
    "Give me my mediocre game experience or else" isn't what made WoW special.

    I honestly can't imagine why players who don't PvP or Raid (for real) are good for this game.
    We're entering a next gen era, look at all the cool shit for E3.
    So many players who's peak excitment in WoW is winning a ghost roll on LFR won't be playing for very long. I garauntee it.
    Actually, I think people are not forced to do LFR. They do it if they want to do it and those who don't do it DON'T DO IT. It's a very, very, very simple concept. Much like other real world concepts actively debated right now. If you mind your own business, you solve a lot of problems. Don't like LFR? Don't fucking do it! Voila. Issue solved.

    People who unsub because LFR merely exists are NOT THREATENING to Blizzard NOR the playerbase. Let it echo in your mind from here until eternity; NOBODY CARES THAT YOU DON'T LIKE LFR. It is so simple of a concept. Once you grasp it, you will experience immediate "freedom" in your mind and heart. You will no longer be compelled to make stupid posts in stupid threads about how you "guarantee" something you have no domain over.

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  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    I can see tier pieces and legendary progression in LFR not returning in future expansions.

    They're not going to change anything in the middle of an expansion, but it's quite clear they will at the first reasonable opportunity.



    So are most of the replies, including yours.

    OP said NEXT EXPANSION. Blizzard are referring specifically to patch 5.4 when they say nothing is being removed.
    Blizzard flat out said they are NOT removing anything from LFR yesterday. This isn't rocket science folks.

    ---------- Post added 2013-06-15 at 03:01 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    When did I say they were going to remove or limit content before the end of MOP?

    I am hopeful that LFR is gonna be reworked or have limited content NEXT expansion. It looks promising with all those tweets.


    @ Netherspark

    Exactly. Thanks.
    It doesn't matter when you think it will happen as Blizzard has already quite clearly said it isn't happening at all.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    When LFR didn't exist, subs were 12 million.

    You're welcome.
    Except that the biggest drop in players came after the introduction of Cata... long before LFR was even announced.

    Try again.

  7. #147
    Interesting thread, you can kinda tell by Ghostcrawler's responses that while he agrees LFR and Flex let people see content, there's still something not quite right about them..... will be interesting to see what happens next expansion, my guess is that Flex raids is the new go to spot for gearing up for normal, and LFR will not drop certain pieces of loot and may not have all of the bosses in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Blizzard flat out said they are NOT removing anything from LFR yesterday. This isn't rocket science folks.
    What I read (maybe I've missed something) is that they feel removing tier and other significant items from LFR for 5.4 would feel like an unfair "ground rules change" to players. I get the feeling they have been mulling over loot changes in LFR for the next expansion.

    But here's the thing. If LFR remains extremely popular, Blizzard will keep it around. They certainly will do NOTHING to DISCOURAGE players from using it, because many of those people will just not log on otherwise.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocity View Post
    Probably gonna be epic gems.

    I doubt so. Hacking the branch you are sitting on wouldn't be wise move from developers' side at all.
    What? We haven't seen epic gems before? They were raid drops when initially implemented into game during TBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    Interesting thread, you can kinda tell by Ghostcrawler's responses that while he agrees LFR and Flex let people see content, there's still something not quite right about them..... will be interesting to see what happens next expansion, my guess is that Flex raids is the new go to spot for gearing up for normal, and LFR will not drop certain pieces of loot and may not have all of the bosses in it.
    I think the hardcore suck-up in him would like that, but I think the realist in him knows that what the hardcores want is pretty much bad for the other 98% of the players.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    The business depends on the removal of LFR.

    It's either remove or let subs drop more.
    Because elitists like you aren't driving people away from the game. I'm sorry but your attitude is significantly worse for this game and community than any faceroll content ever could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normie View Post
    I think the hardcore suck-up in him would like that, but I think the realist in him knows that what the hardcores want is pretty much bad for the other 98% of the players.
    Yup. If GC thinks they should start catering the game to the hardest of the hardcore (1-2%) and pushing away the other 98%, I'm quite sure the share holders might have something to say about that when WoW loses another few million players.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    a lot of people would come back actually. I don't know about you guys, but I have a large number of guild mates that left WoW to play LoL since blizzard killed 25 man raiding with LFR.
    Considering how toxic the Lol community is they can keep them. We don't need them back in Wow. It is no coincidence that as more people leave Wow other gaming communities become more toxic.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Normie View Post
    I think the hardcore suck-up in him would like that, but I think the realist in him knows that what the hardcores want is pretty much bad for the other 98% of the players.
    I think the problem is that the other 98% of the players weren't finding the easy mode stuff that fun either.

  15. #155
    Sad this is that it's the "real" raiding that is dying, while Blizzard is trying quietly to kill off lfr in hopes of rescuing normal form of raiding (flex), what does that leave for lfr players... just dailies and initial quests. GL WoW better get that Sargeras alive and kicking in next expansion before servers start shutting down.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    He made a subjective opinion first. He said the business depends on LFR.

    According to subscriptions number you're wrong.
    Unless you work for Blizzard you have no fucking idea why anyone left. The reasons your friends have left the game aren't universal. Many people are quitting due to factors that have NOTHING to do with the game at all.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Considering how toxic the Lol community is they can keep them. We don't need them back in Wow. It is no coincidence that as more people leave Wow other gaming communities become more toxic.
    Can't be that more and more people are playing Video Games, and by the off-chance a lot of people are "Toxic" by nature. God that word is pathetic.
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  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    When LFR didn't exist, subs were 12 million.

    You're welcome.
    Wow. Truly astounding. I seem to recall the wannabe hardcores claiming that faceroll content killed the game in Wrath and now you are using that expansion to defend elitist notions such as removing easy content from casuals? Are you fucking kidding me right now?

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Blizzard flat out said they are NOT removing anything from LFR yesterday.
    Blizzard also flat out said they were not making LFR when people first asked about it after the LFD introduction. Blizzard say random things and do random things, often the two have no correlation.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by swagster View Post
    World of Warcraft lost 600,000 players shortly after the release of Cataclysm. Cataclysm was already shitty, LFR was pretty much the final nail in the coffin.
    So why are you playing still? Why waste your time? Why can't you people ever let this game go?

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