Iranian Elections

[Frozenbeef]

what ever happened to the "death to potatoes" guy..i liked him :/

[Bakis]

The president hold no power, Khomeini decide in all important questions.
The president is moderate but still the lapdog of Khomeini, no candidate would ever be accepteed without being it. He also used to work for Khomeini for 3 decades so...

He might try to make life easier on the iranian people, less security forces and policestate activities and at least try to play nice in order to lift some sanctions but he wont be able to do anything major without Khomeini's saying so dont get your hopes up. Nothing will happen if I would to guess.

[Deleted]

Sure, it's not a Revolution but progress comes in baby-steps.

I'd consider this one.

[N-7]

If true that means the people that really rule want this direction and that cannot be bad. I for one wouldn't mind a peaceful Iran. As of right now they are a wild card, a loose cannon ready to go off at anytime despite their history of non aggression.

Not really, Iran won't attack anyone without provocation leave them alone and they'll leave you alone.

[Deleted]

The average americans knowledge of Iran may be the greatest propaganda job in the history of the world. I mean even Goebbels would be fucking impressed.

[Deleted]

The average americans knowledge of Iran may be the greatest propaganda job in the history of the world. I mean even Goebbels would be fucking impressed.

No; that award would have to go to the Cold War propaganda.

[Deleted]

No; that award would have to go to the Cold War propaganda.

Not even close. With the net and what have you, one would think people would be a little more enlightned today. But hey, if a guy is a muslim and doesn´t take it up the tailpipe from the US it´s ok to starve an entire country and be responsible for deaths in the hundreds of thousands.

[oxymoronic]

Not even close. With the net and what have you, one would think people would be a little more enlightned today. But hey, if a guy is a muslim and doesn´t take it up the tailpipe from the US it´s ok to starve an entire country and be responsible for deaths in the hundreds of thousands.

Wow talk about ignorance. Besides why the hell would the average American care about iran? There is 100's of countries and iran is nothing special.

[Skroe]

Not even close. With the net and what have you, one would think people would be a little more enlightned today. But hey, if a guy is a muslim and doesn´t take it up the tailpipe from the US it´s ok to starve an entire country and be responsible for deaths in the hundreds of thousands.

Our demands are very simple. Iran needs to dismantle its nuclear program, end it's ballistic missile program and stop support for terrorist groups. If it delivers Hezbollah on a silver platter to us... no wait better yet, to Israel... then we can start discussing peace.

Iran's negotiating positon is basically non existent. It is entirely based on the supposition of getting away with murder because the US rather kick the day of reckoning into the future.

Eventually they'll cross a line too far, and we can debate that in the 357 page thread the OT forums will have about it.

[Bakis]

The average americans knowledge of Iran may be the greatest propaganda job in the history of the world. I mean even Goebbels would be fucking impressed.

Lack of knowledge != knowledge !!!

[Reeve]

Not even close. With the net and what have you, one would think people would be a little more enlightned today. But hey, if a guy is a muslim and doesn´t take it up the tailpipe from the US it´s ok to starve an entire country and be responsible for deaths in the hundreds of thousands.

You mean if a country's government is trying to build nuclear weapons and spouting dangerous remarks we shouldn't try to apply pressure to get them to stop?

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the Iranian people. I always thought the Persian people I knew growing up in San Jose were pretty similar to Americans, even as first generation immigrants. That doesn't mean I think their government should be allowed to endanger the rest of us.

[N-7]

Our demands are very simple. Iran needs to dismantle its nuclear program, end it's ballistic missile program and stop support for terrorist groups. If it delivers Hezbollah on a silver platter to us... no wait better yet, to Israel... then we can start discussing peace.

Okay when Israel dismantle it is nuclear arsenal, they get to demand that others dismantle their nuclear program and when Mossad stop operating on Iran soils then you can expect Hezbollah to stop operating on Israel. There are two (at least) parts of a negotiation if you want something you have to give something in return.

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You mean if a country's government is trying to build nuclear weapons and spouting dangerous remarks we shouldn't try to apply pressure to get them to stop?

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the Iranian people. I always thought the Persian people I knew growing up in San Jose were pretty similar to Americans, even as first generation immigrants. That doesn't mean I think their government should be allowed to endanger the rest of us.

They're not trying to build nuclear weapons no solid proof of that exist and the only one who endangers you (Americans) is your government.

[Skroe]

Okay when Israel dismantle it is nuclear arsenal, they get to demand that others dismantle their nuclear program and when Mossad stop operating on Iran soils then you can expect Hezbollah to stop operating on Israel. There are two (at least) parts of a negotiation if you want something you have to give something in return..

Not necessarily. Only if the parties are equal.

Iran is no match for Israel unleased, much less the United States. They don't get concessions.

[N-7]

Not necessarily. Only if the parties are equal.

Iran is no match for Israel unleased, much less the United States. They don't get concessions.

Iran is match to Israel more or less (If we discount their nuclear arsenal that is) and probably with some more equipment from big brother Russia, they'd have a better chance at holding their ground. Hezbollah alone is giving Israel too much of a headache, how well do you think that they'll hold in an invasion against a full army trained to the same standards? Either way, I certainly cannot blame them for wanting to defend their sovereignty against a bunch of hypocrites who won't play by the same standards.

Simply put, they are not the aggressors, USA and Israel are (and will probably be) in any future wars.

[Reeve]

They're not trying to build nuclear weapons no solid proof of that exist and the only one who endangers you (Americans) is your government.

They're enriching Uranium far beyond the point they need to in order to have nuclear power. That may not be absolute proof they're trying to build a bomb, but as Randall Munroe puts it, it does "waggle its eyebrows suggestively, while gesturing furtively and mouthing 'over there!'"

[Bakis]

They're enriching Uranium far beyond the point they need to in order to have nuclear power. That may not be absolute proof they're trying to build a bomb, but as Randall Munroe puts it, it does "waggle its eyebrows suggestively, while gesturing furtively and mouthing 'over there!'"

Sure but put yourself in their shoes. The only imperialistic power since the fall of the Soviet Union has been the US. Israel behaves like a spoiled puppy doing whatever they wish under the US umbrally of protection.
I totally understand why Iran want to get nukes when strictly speaking logic.

[N-7]

They're enriching Uranium far beyond the point they need to in order to have nuclear power. That may not be absolute proof they're trying to build a bomb, but as Randall Munroe puts it, it does "waggle its eyebrows suggestively, while gesturing furtively and mouthing 'over there!'"

So, you want to invade a nation based on instinct? I guess we didn't do that before... oh wait... hmmm.. what was it? Yes, Iraq godamn fucking Iraq was a witch hunt and you want your government to engage in another witch hunt?

At the very least take responsibility and don't drag the rest of the NATO into your shit.

[Mayhem]

They're enriching Uranium far beyond the point they need to in order to have nuclear power. That may not be absolute proof they're trying to build a bomb, but as Randall Munroe puts it, it does "waggle its eyebrows suggestively, while gesturing furtively and mouthing 'over there!'"

just out of curiousity, is enriching uranium the absolut proof of building a bomb or could it be used to test on something else?

[N-7]

just out of curiousity, is enriching uranium the absolut proof of building a bomb or could it be used to test on something else?

Nuclear reactors, clean and efficient energy. However, there are some claims that some of it was enriched to weapon grade uranium.

[Reeve]

So, you want to invade a nation based on instinct? I guess we didn't do that before... oh wait... hmmm.. what was it? Yes, Iraq godamn fucking Iraq was a witch hunt and you want your government to engage in another witch hunt?

At the very least take responsibility and don't drag the rest of the NATO into your shit.

I never said I wanted to invade Iran. You're tilting at windmills here. I didn't support the Iraqi invasion and I don't support an Iranian invasion. I did support the Afghan invasion.