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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Teebone View Post
    What pisses me off is that some folks say that others don't deserve what they get, as if the same subscription fee they both pay was more valuable than the others' fee.

    It's like saying to me in person that my money is worthless or that you work harder than I do.

    A real-life encounter like that would be met with a less than cordial response for them and possibly an assault charge for me.
    A real life encounter would grant someone who works harder than you with more. Congratulations at arguing against yourself successfully. You did my job for me. Cheers son, go back to swallowing Lego.

  2. #282
    I cant believe how long and exhausting and mindnumbing this topic gets , every time it shows up.
    Everyone is arguing about how they deserve it and bla bla.
    The point is , World of Warcraft CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. It is nothing more than a fking money milkmachine and you are acting like mindless chickens while Blizzard laughs in your face. In this "new" World of Warcraft , every Account that pays , is eligible to get everything in the game. It is to milk money from EVERYONE. The playerbase changed from people , who actively took place in character progression, hitting your personal borders of commitment and skill and social abilities to ACHIEVE something. ( guilds and raid groups aren't needed anymore to see content <--- that is the strongest point ) to people who act like they dont have to learn a game or put commitment into it, they are no gamers , they are people who don't know what to do with their rl spare time.
    Get over it and change your game already, if you stay here and rant about the very same topic every day nothing changes and ONLY blizzard profits.

  3. #283
    They need to make the final part akin to the warlock green fire finale. I don't know how many tears have been shed about that and blizzard has said no it will not be nerfed any time soon. The final part of this quest line needs to be

    1) solo
    2) hard, but doable if you know your abilities much like the green fire quest

    I mean people did that quest in pvp blues while people in LFR epics cried about it. It wasn't time consuming. It wasn't something gear stopped you from doing. It was something you had to actually know your class to complete. This is what the last Wrathion quest awarding the legendary needs to be.

    Also blizzard confirmed it's a piece of gear. They only dodged the is it a weapon part. Notice dodged not denied. I think they just acted coy for the mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teebone View Post
    What pisses me off is that some folks say that others don't deserve what they get, as if the same subscription fee they both pay was more valuable than the others' fee.

    It's like saying to me in person that my money is worthless or that you work harder than I do.

    A real-life encounter like that would be met with a less than cordial response for them and possibly an assault charge for me.
    Because they worked harder????

    You pay the same for the same OPPORTUNITY not for the same items. Sorry Charlie. Your money opens the same doors. Your skill and time dictates whether you can walk through said doors.

  4. #284
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    Like it or not casuals make up a large percentage of the game right now and they pay the same subscription as hardcore raiders, Blizzard understands this and appreciates this which is why there is some gear available to casuals so that they may have a chance to play the game and not wipe over and over. This would discourage them and they would quit paying to play, and Blizzard understands that also. There is a bunch of gear that casuals will never get and is only available to hardcore raiders or PvPers. That is the reward system that Blizzard has set up, 1 little cloak is not going to upset the balance of Azeroth, so let them have it. Chances are the next patch after 5.4 will offer higher ilvl gear to HC players anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taurenguard View Post
    I think a great solution to all the drama would be to simply give all difficulties a legendary, while the starter version of the weapon or w/e would be LFR ilvl. Then there would be an upgrade quest that requires you to kill the last boss on normal/heroic mode depending which you have chosen your weapon gets upgraded. LFR raiders will have the worst version, normal raiders the mid version and heroic raiders the BIS item.
    I like this guy's idea. I currently just do LFR, and on the rare occasion a decent pug comes along a few bosses in normal ToT. (My server is awful, and I don't care enough to transfer, especially since I still have a few friends here) I collect legendaries, and at 95 I'd go back and upgrade it most likely. I'd be in kind of a quandry if there were multiple tiers and you had to pick one with no option to upgrade, since I'd be locking myself into LFR/Flex or waiting til the next xpac to just get the heroic one. (Assuming there's no way to do the quest over again or whatever)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Executia View Post
    I cant believe how long and exhausting and mindnumbing this topic gets , every time it shows up.
    Everyone is arguing about how they deserve it and bla bla.
    The point is , World of Warcraft CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. It is nothing more than a fking money milkmachine and you are acting like mindless chickens while Blizzard laughs in your face. In this "new" World of Warcraft , every Account that pays , is eligible to get everything in the game. It is to milk money from EVERYONE. The playerbase changed from people , who actively took place in character progression, hitting your personal borders of commitment and skill and social abilities to ACHIEVE something. ( guilds and raid groups aren't needed anymore to see content <--- that is the strongest point ) to people who act like they dont have to learn a game or put commitment into it, they are no gamers , they are people who don't know what to do with their rl spare time.
    Get over it and change your game already, if you stay here and rant about the very same topic every day nothing changes and ONLY blizzard profits.
    Bitter much?

    If you don't like the game, don't play it. (I'm assuming you're one of those 50% of frequent posters who isn't subscribed anyway.)

    Also, if you don't like the game, and aren't playing it, maybe you could stop ranting about it to the people who do play?

  7. #287
    I stopped reading after about page 3 but thought I need to put in my 2 pennies worth. In TBC we had people raging on "welfare epics" and it looks like this expansion it's "welfare legendaries". Why do people care what others do or have? I pay my $15 a month for my own pleasure, I care only what I have or don't have. I could give a rat's ass about what so and so has or does as long as it does not affect my enjoyment of the game.
    Btw I've done the attunement, TK/SSC pre nerf, 3 days a week raiding for months on end, etc. It doesn't interest me anymore and I now enjoy the game strickly through LFR and do my own thing. This far into the patch, I'm not even close to obtaining the cloak on my main and 1 alt. I can't believe this generation still cares about what others have or don't have...virtual or otherwise. I thought that mindset went away during the Gen X period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kappa View Post
    If you truly believe in your "fact", you are way too far gone lol. Killing Illidan, KJ, Yogg, Lich King, Rag is difficult in itself. Legendaries that can be obtained through TIME is what we have in MoP right now.
    I see you havent been there...these bosses where very easy compared to todays boss-encounters - as said legendaries allways just need time + wasting the time of 39/24 other people....

    Blizzard should just make the end solo quest/scenario decently hard. The reverse QQ will be glorious.
    ATTENTION I smell a special snowflake that has to shine in orange in a bits & bytes game to be special...

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    Last edited by Sonnillon; 2013-06-19 at 07:41 AM.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Normie View Post
    Bitter much?

    If you don't like the game, don't play it. (I'm assuming you're one of those 50% of frequent posters who isn't subscribed anyway.)

    Also, if you don't like the game, and aren't playing it, maybe you could stop ranting about it to the people who do play?
    The difference between people who just unsub without a word is they simply don't care as much as the rest of us who are going down cursing every dev and casual player in sight (not really but you get the picture).

    For me, atleast, it's a futile excercise to see if I can finally show people the "light."
    But then I realize I'm talking to bats who can't see it anyways.

    But already I'm starting to see more players and even Blizzard look at these changes with a sour face.
    It's like a doomsayer sticking around to see if he was right and maybe Blizzard will realize in time to turn it around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyiana View Post
    I'm guessing the "brand spanking new" reward for flex normal and heroic is the legendary, as they said it won't be in LFR. They have to keep legendaries legendary.
    Legendaries where never REALLY legendary... the only legendary in game that is really LEGENDARY is the Staff of Attiesh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulosio View Post
    The rest of the legendary chain has just been a grind with a bit of RNG thrown in with the secrets of the empire and runestones etc (not really any different to the Molten Core legendaries in that respect).
    Have you ever done the MC Legendaries - for the mace ie you need a bs who had to buy a recipe in brd to make you one part and dont start me on the bars for the sword....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zypherz View Post
    2) Do you enjoy Looking for Raid? Or is it just those first few times you enjoy it because you're seeing the content? I mean really, do you enjoy doing LFR over and over and over....?
    3) Dafuq do you plan to do with your legendary once you get it?! Go "Hey Bob! Look at my new dagger of the awesome-sauce dra- Oh, you have one too". You don't raid, you can't do anything with it except run LFR again, and it's not like you need Legendaries to do LFR - All you need to beat LFR is some sort of distraction while you AFK and get your loot. And even if you do decide to participate, all you need to do is roll your dick across the keyboard and wallah! Epics.
    Lemme throw this right back at you my little snowflake:
    dont you get tired doin the same raid every week sometimes without even advancing a bit AND
    once you got your legendary what are you gonna do with it when you done all the bosses? sit in sw/og and shine hey look im a leet hc player with a binary-legendary and feel like you ARCHIVED something? roflmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaneosak View Post
    Do you think because if you bought Half-life in 1997 and you played it on the normal difficulty and you couldnt beat it or it was too time consuming you should be able to skip to the last level just because you paid the same money as someone who is better or had more time to play it?
    How can you compare a bad shooter game to a RolePlayin-Game?
    thats like comparing a bike to a formel 1 car....

    Quote Originally Posted by Paladzins View Post
    You can disagree, but deep inside u know - lfr is NOT same thing as raiding - its fast way to gear up, nothing else. Nothing else.
    After your logic same goes for normal/hc....

    Quote Originally Posted by zaneosak View Post
    Answer: Yes it will, and it's fucking retarded.
    just quit and the community will sing you the special snowflake song

    Quote Originally Posted by checking facts View Post
    anyone who's able to get a legendary doing only LFR, having to put up with those awful sunday night groups, insane queues, afkers, people who refuse to play, people that don't buff, shamans/mages that don't BL, clueless tanks, healers that get less total healing than warlocks, et cetera, should get an uber awesomesauce master legendary weapon of insanity.
    Word!

    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    One damn piece of gear, no matter how awesome, does almost nothing to erode the boundary between someone in full heroic and someone in full LFR. I'm never going to be bothered someone in full LFR gear but one legendary, and no one in full heroic gear should be bothered by my mostly-normal/semi-heroic gear even if I have a legendary, because the divide between these three groups is not defined by a single piece of gear.

    If you feel that one piece of gear somehow infringes upon your sense of self worth, you have bigger problems than LFR raiders getting a legendary. The fact that you use an analogy of a lazy coworker getting his pay doubled illustrates my point -- that you're blowing this completely out of proportion. A single legendary does not make an LFR raider better than a heroic raider. It does not make them equal to a heroic raider. It does not make them better or equal to a normal raider.
    I sooo love you brother - I seriously wish all these I wanna be elite no candles for all other people who arent even playing in the top 5 guilds would just quit wow and Ill bet we had way less qq on the forums....

    Quote Originally Posted by Executia View Post
    ) to people who act like they dont have to learn a game or put commitment into it, they are no gamers , they are people who don't know what to do with their rl spare time.
    So because in your opinion compared to when wow startet and i had time at my hands to raid compared to now where I have to work for me and my family and have less time for the game Im not a gamer anymore?
    thats so roflmao my son - I was a gamer before you ever got your first diaper....

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Drudatz View Post
    Lemme throw this right back at you my little snowflake:
    dont you get tired doin the same raid every week sometimes without even advancing a bit AND
    once you got your legendary what are you gonna do with it when you done all the bosses? sit in sw/og and shine hey look im a leet hc player with a binary-legendary and feel like you ARCHIVED something? roflmao
    You know what I read whenever someone uses "snowflake" in their post?
    I read "prepare for my feeble counter argument."

    And hey look what followed!
    -Yes I get tired, that's the point. It's a wall to overcome. It's a puzzle to fix. You're still playing the game. Without a struggle here or there it'd be boring and forgettable like LFR is.
    -Legendaries are very handy if you're still progressing in Heroics because not every guild will be 12/12 by the time they get theirs.

    This wasn't directed at me but here you go :P

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by Floopa View Post
    A real life encounter would grant someone who works harder than you with more. Congratulations at arguing against yourself successfully. You did my job for me. Cheers son, go back to swallowing Lego.
    Most of the people who do the hardest labor, make the least, and most of the people who do the least hardest labor, make the most :x So that doesn't really work in the real world :x

  13. #293
    The whole purpose of this legendary quest is to keep people subscribed instead of just subbing for one month when new content is out. Seeing as most of the playbase uses LFR the answer is yes.

  14. #294
    Go with my suggestion. Make the final legendary quest "you must defeat Hexos". That way it's fair. Everyone can do that.

  15. #295
    Some of my guildies are not even past part 2 of this legendary quest and we do run normal/heroic modes. They are just not that into it/are too lazy to do it or whatever reason they have. Those rewards are not needed for progression.

    If someone is dedicated enough to finish the quest line (gather lots of items that just don't want to drop, cap valor for at least six weeks (or three after nerf), do some pvp even if they don't do it usually, farm/buy/trade trillium bars etc.) then I think that they deserve it, even if they did it in LFR. It doesn't bother me if they did it that way. It's not stopping me from enjoying the fact that I have mine.

  16. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by makkk View Post
    The whole purpose of this legendary quest is to keep people subscribed instead of just subbing for one month when new content is out. Seeing as most of the playbase uses LFR the answer is yes.
    The grind is getting heavily nerfed this next patch. It might be possible for a player who jumps right in at the last raid to walk out with a legendary and the current grinds do not require a continuous month to month play to keep up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Floopa View Post
    Go with my suggestion. Make the final legendary quest "you must defeat Hexos". That way it's fair. Everyone can do that.
    Would certainly boost the "popularity" of Brawlers guild. The challenging aspect shouldnt be getting 9/24 other players together. The last two legendarilies did a similar thing.
    Last edited by nekobaka; 2013-06-19 at 01:16 AM.

  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by strangerdanger View Post
    I hope not. Legendary weapons are supposed to be hard to get and LFR is not hard by any means.
    Legendaries have never ever ever been "hard" to get. They've been "random" to get. The current formula continues that trend exactly.

    As someone that cleared 13/13H well over a month ago, I have no issues with people in LFR getting the legendary as well. You've still had to grind out horrendous RNG for the entire expansion which is frankly more work than any of the previous legendaries that only lasted a tier.

  18. #298
    Quote Originally Posted by nekobaka View Post
    The grind is getting heavily nerfed this next patch. It might be possible for a player who jumps right in at the last raid to walk out with a legendary and the current grinds do not require a continuous month to month play to keep up.


    Would certainly boost the "popularity" of Brawlers guild. The challenging aspect shouldnt be getting 9/24 other players together. The last two legendarilies did a similar thing.
    no matter how they nerf it this will still require at least/min 10-12 weeks to catch up to the 5.4 part which will be unnerfed and will take a hell lot of time too -_- unless someone is super hiper blessed by the rng - but just looking at how many weeks takes farming of this stupid titan runestones ... seriusly doubt that the real target audience of lfr will be runing around all in oranges - some people for sure but most won't.

  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by purebalance View Post
    Because they worked harder????

    You pay the same for the same OPPORTUNITY not for the same items. Sorry Charlie. Your money opens the same doors. Your skill and time dictates whether you can walk through said doors.
    Yes, a 1000x yes. people who rely solely on LFR to see content in this game are so entitled its ruining the game and the community(well worse than it was).

  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by mistahwilshire View Post
    Legendaries have never ever ever been "hard" to get. They've been "random" to get. The current formula continues that trend exactly.

    As someone that cleared 13/13H well over a month ago, I have no issues with people in LFR getting the legendary as well. You've still had to grind out horrendous RNG for the entire expansion which is frankly more work than any of the previous legendaries that only lasted a tier.
    Absolutely. Both my vanilla legendaries (Sulfuras and Thunderfury) were nothing more than random soaks, and things haven't changed up 'til now. Anyone who puts in the same time deserves the same reward from this particular effort.

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