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  1. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by Keltas View Post
    I don't mind LFR players getting it, but could we get a higher drop chance the higher difficulty it is? It's dissapointing putting in so much more effort (don't say it's not, heroic raiding IS more effort than lfr) yet still getting 1 secret a week on heroic modes.

    Something like:
    Heroic - 35% chance
    Normal - 30% chance
    Flex - 25% chance
    LFR - 20% chance
    pretty sure Ra-den since the patch has a 100% droprate to my knowledge. I can't 100% confirm but i know we had 5 people left on runestones last week and all 5 got 1 off ra-den. and this week we had 1 person left on runestones and my monk starting secrets and what do you know we got 1 runestone for him and 1 secret for me. so blizz gave us heroic raiders a nice little anti-RNG. and a nice catch up for heroic raiders swapping toons like me.

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    the legendary will hands down be heroic only... there's no logical reason to make it anything different. If they make it available in LFR, then that just means that blizzard doesn't care about hardcore raiders. Legendaries are legendary for a reason... if everyone ran around with one, what would make them so legendary?

    Most likely the wisest Enhancement Shaman.

  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    the legendary will hands down be heroic only... there's no logical reason to make it anything different. If they make it available in LFR, then that just means that blizzard doesn't care about hardcore raiders. Legendaries are legendary for a reason... if everyone ran around with one, what would make them so legendary?
    Nothing has been hardcore about legendaries to date apart from time invested fishing for random drops or dogged perseverence. They have never been the sole domain of the "hardcore" raider, as much as some of you would like to perpetuate the fiction.

    LFR people are going to get the legendary, whatever it is, and people are going to cry. Their tears will be delicious.

  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    the legendary will hands down be heroic only... there's no logical reason to make it anything different. If they make it available in LFR, then that just means that blizzard doesn't care about hardcore raiders. Legendaries are legendary for a reason... if everyone ran around with one, what would make them so legendary?
    There were never legendaries that would come from heroic/hardmode only (well, there was one, but back then heroic just meant it was 25man).

  5. #325
    Yes you will get a 'real' legendary in 5.4 from LFR, while being afk.

    You will also get a 'real' Gladiator title and mount, if you complete one arena game that season (doesn't have to be a win, you can just afk once it pops).

  6. #326
    hmmm i was actually hoping for legendary trinket for the quest line and another legendary weapon for class specific questline like dragonwrath/shadowmourne

    @OP yep the wraithon's legendary questline will most likely give legendary by doing lfr

  7. #327
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    the legendary will hands down be heroic only... there's no logical reason to make it anything different. If they make it available in LFR, then that just means that blizzard doesn't care about hardcore raiders. Legendaries are legendary for a reason... if everyone ran around with one, what would make them so legendary?
    I can't say it since they frown upon using that word here, but you must be ...

    274 guilds have killed Ra-Den. over 28 thousand have killed Jin'Rokh normal. Even with t15 gear only 1054 guilds have killed h Sha of Fear. 48 thousand have killed normal stone guards.

    Making content that 1 freaking percent of raiders (who are already a fraction of the total playerbase) will see when it's current means they don't care about hardcore raiders ?

    This is by far the most legendary item WoW has ever seen, because it's the only one that's required literally an expansion-long commitment to obtain. Nothing else has required anywhere near this level of time investment.

  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    I can't say it since they frown upon using that word here, but you must be ...

    274 guilds have killed Ra-Den. over 28 thousand have killed Jin'Rokh normal. Even with t15 gear only 1054 guilds have killed h Sha of Fear. 48 thousand have killed normal stone guards.

    Making content that 1 freaking percent of raiders (who are already a fraction of the total playerbase) will see when it's current means they don't care about hardcore raiders ?

    This is by far the most legendary item WoW has ever seen, because it's the only one that's required literally an expansion-long commitment to obtain. Nothing else has required anywhere near this level of time investment.
    Though is it the only legendary you can obtain by logging in, pressing one button to queue from a capital city and then autoattacking each boss. Yes sometimes you may get kicked for just autoattacking but lately I've seen so, so many do just that.

    Any legendary obtainable by afk/autoattacking means is not really a legendary and any fun, as you know that even if you put in the effort to kill bosses on normal or heroic, some LFR player who can just autoattack or do 50k dps, can get better luck than you and complete it first.

  9. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushima View Post
    Though is it the only legendary you can obtain by logging in, pressing one button to queue from a capital city and then autoattacking each boss. Yes sometimes you may get kicked for just autoattacking but lately I've seen so, so many do just that.

    Any legendary obtainable by afk/autoattacking means is not really a legendary and any fun, as you know that even if you put in the effort to kill bosses on normal or heroic, some LFR player who can just autoattack or do 50k dps, can get better luck than you and complete it first.
    Oh well, I'd rather it be RNG than award the officers.

  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Danshot View Post
    Oh well, I'd rather it be RNG than award the officers.
    Could just make the items only drop on normal/heroic, as they do now, to each player individually. Or, make the LFR legendary items marked as 'LFR' and reward a lesser version of the final legendary product etc.

    Plenty of ways to solve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    This is by far the most legendary item WoW has ever seen, because it's the only one that's required literally an expansion-long commitment to obtain. Nothing else has required anywhere near this level of time investment.
    Farming multiple legendarys with alt raids and lots of logistics vs clicking 1 button and go watch tv ?
    Yes, such a time commitment, by 5.4, watch, it'll be 2k valor and 10 / 6 stones to collect...

  12. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by santa666 View Post
    Farming multiple legendarys with alt raids and lots of logistics vs clicking 1 button and go watch tv ?
    Yes, such a time commitment, by 5.4, watch, it'll be 2k valor and 10 / 6 stones to collect...
    My bet: collect 8 wolf pelts!

    But anyway: i'm just as curious as all of you - maybe we can find stuff in flexi, normal and heroic mode to further improve the legendary weapons (ie: +ilvl, +proccs, +whatever) but honestly i don't care if a LFR-hero get the same piece in the end, he also needed to collect his VP, stones, etc. and run the instances multiple times.

    Yeah, there might be some afk-lords that get it, but i'll probably never see them again ... so. Majority of each lfr group still do their best to get the thing done.

  13. #333
    Quote Originally Posted by santa666 View Post
    Farming multiple legendarys with alt raids and lots of logistics vs clicking 1 button and go watch tv ?
    Yes, such a time commitment, by 5.4, watch, it'll be 2k valor and 10 / 6 stones to collect...
    Just because some people AFK in LFR doesn't mean everyone does. I've been doing LFR since implementation and I almost never see people AFK. The few that I have seen get kicked quickly. It's not necessary to punish all the LFR players because a tiny fraction of them AFK.
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  14. #334
    I think it should be LFR only... :smug:

    Can you imagine the tears?

  15. #335
    Oh wow, I can't believe the amount of rage there is around this. So first things first - yes, people will be able to finish the quest through LFR and most likely get the same item as flexi/normal/heroic. That's how it's been thus far and that's the only approach that makes sense from this point on.

    Thinking that the old legendaries were hard to get or in any way exclusive to good players just shows a complete lack of understanding of how they actually worked. Either you're looking at them through rose tinted glasses or weren't in a position where you could get them at the time and thus see them as such.

    Some background information so you know where I'm coming from: I only played wow during classic and BC, pretty casual in classic, raided hardcore in BC with Last Resort.

    Legendaries in Vanilla:

    Thunderfury - everyone and their dogs did MC at ANY given point in vanilla, it was just a matter of luck if you got the bindings to drop or not, you could do garr and geddon with 15 good people and 25 afkers. Then it was just a matter of gathering the mats (often bought with gold from guild bank) and killing a ridiculously easy boss.

    Sulfuras - RNG again, and also from a boss everyone killed anyway.

    Atiesh - probably the only somewhat hard to get legendary in vanilla as many guilds quit raiding after BC was announced, but individual skill still not being a factor in any way or shape. We had a LOT of terrible players and still managed to get two of them, on two terrible players no less.


    Legendaries in TBC:

    Now we get to the good part - the glaives. At this point I was raiding with Last Resort and got the world second kill of Illidan. 56 kills later (yeah.) I still only had the offhand glaive and saw everyone and their mother running around with the set. Was this annoying? Well of course, but not because of the items themselves. The glaives were a HUGE dps increase and sunwell plateau progression was a completely different beast with them. I personally couldn't care less if johnny two shoes had the set or not, when you're a hardcore player items are only the means to an end - early kills. As long as legendaries don't get in the way of a proper race, then I have absolutely no problem with them being given to LFR players as well.

    Thori'dal was RNG as well, but I was perfectly fine with it. It dropped from the last boss in the expansion, it was inconsequencial to the progress.

    LFR players having legendaries won't change a thing for people competing for the first kills, that's why they are the ones that don't care. People whining are the ones who care more about the "exclusivity" than the item itself, which in my opinion is just senseless. I wouldn't have cared if everyone and their dogs had the glaives back then, as long as everyone got them at the same time. Gear won't make you a better player, and if you're a good player you don't mind everyone else having the same gear, because you know you'll still shine no matter what. People who put as much effort into the game as world first guilds do only care about getting through the hardest challenge the game has to offer and the glory of being the first on doing so, no one puts that kind of dedication into the game for the items.

    In this legendary quest everyone is putting the same time and effort into it (you're not raiding normal or heroic for the legendary drops, they just happen to be present in all difficulties and you can just do LFR as well if you're so inclined), so yes, everyone deserves to have the same payback, no matter what difficulty they are playing on. SoO will likely be the last instance in the expansion, so making the last reward for the legendary questline RNG is completely fine as long as you aren't able to complete it before the race is done.
    I would still prefer something like having a quest item drop from each of the bosses and you needing say 5-6 full runs to get the required amount. Hardcore guilds would be able to get them slightly earlier, while still allowing everyone to get them a few weeks later.

    If you're still playing WoW for the items, I think you might just be missing the point of the game. See them as a means to an end and not the contrary. I can understand enjoying the game for the challenge, the community or the lore, but not for items. I probably rambled quite a bit, but I hope I got my point across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushima View Post
    Could just make the items only drop on normal/heroic, as they do now, to each player individually. Or, make the LFR legendary items marked as 'LFR' and reward a lesser version of the final legendary product etc.

    Plenty of ways to solve it.
    You're really adamant about this whole "THEY CAN'T HAVE THE SAME AS ME, THEY JUST CAN'T" why does it bother you, for them obtaining the same legendary than you did ? Does it hurt your soul to see someone else being able to accomplish something that you did ? Really ?
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  17. #337
    just make the lgendary reward of LFR ilevel and make it upgradable with items from normal and heroic garrosh to their respective ilevels? everyone gets legendary for the content they were capable of doing, LFRs are happy they got legendary, HC raiders are happy, since they got better legendary for their effort, win?

  18. #338
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarevokcz View Post
    just make the lgendary reward of LFR ilevel and make it upgradable with items from normal and heroic garrosh to their respective ilevels? everyone gets legendary for the content they were capable of doing, LFRs are happy they got legendary, HC raiders are happy, since they got better legendary for their effort, win?
    Why is there a need for the distinction though? normal and HC raiders get better items in every other slot, having the same legendary is not going to ruin anyone's epeen. Besides, if SoO is indeed the last PvE content we see in MOP, then it doesn't matter either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    Why ?

    Anyone who has gotten the legendary through LFR put in more time on the effort than any of the previous legendaries required, especially the random drop ones.

    Ewh no, just no. LFR is not even raiding.

  20. #340
    Quote Originally Posted by Noite View Post
    Why is there a need for the distinction though? normal and HC raiders get better items in every other slot, having the same legendary is not going to ruin anyone's epeen. Besides, if SoO is indeed the last PvE content we see in MOP, then it doesn't matter either way.
    If the legendary is a weapon then I guarantee you the 'extra' item levels from heroic gear wont even come close to the 'extra dps' you gain from having a legendary weapon. C'mon, don't be silly. Someone with a full 502 gear but 2 549 weapons is going to do a hell of lot more DPS than someone with full 549 gear but 502 weapons. Weapons provide the biggest upgrade.

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