Tirion to alliance, Darion to the horde. My thoughts on the matter.

[JudgePayne]

We have all seen recently the way in which blizzard was able to get the kirin tor to return to the alliance and under their leader Jaina clear out the sun reavers from dalaran.

Well in a similar way the Knights of the Silver Hand could be brought back to the alliance.

After a long battle to clear the plague lands of the scourge threat Tirion and his loyal followers come upon a new sight not seen before by most of the new recuits. The forsaken lead by their Queen are using the Val'kyr to ressurect the fallen soilders of the alliance, horde and crusade alike.

Furious at this abomination he demands a stop to this act at once and tells the forsaken to return home and leave the fallen warriors be. After a moment of silence sylvanas windrunner begins to laugh at the request and tells Tirion that relics like him do not belong in the plague lands anymore and for him to leave her domain.

Tirion marches the new recuits back to hearthglen to conviene his council, darion mograine and the knights of the ebon blade answer the call of their old ally and ask him to see reason. Darion tells Tirion that the forsaken are not like the Lich king and offer free will and not slavery.

Unbeknownst to all the forsaken queen had taken insult to the comments made by Tirion early that day and now lead a force upon hearthglen. After the fighting begins Tirion calls for Darion to aid him, but the deathknight and his force leave the fight and stand beside sylvanas windrunner. He says that his knights are now her's to command. She turns and says with that fool Bragor Bloodfist gone Darion shall now stand as her Second in command.

Tirion is able to escape with a small force and make for the lights hope chapel, with the loss of Hearthglen and the actions of the forsaken Tirion proclaims the Argent Crusade no more, he renames the new force the Argent Retaliation who's sole purpose is to rid azeroth of the forsaken and its ilk. Upon hearing this the horde members leave the chapel in protest.

Tirion understands that to stand alone against the odds would be too great a task for any group and such offers his services and rescources to the alliance.

The stage is set with the knights of the ebon blade and darion siding with the forsaken, while Tirion Fordring and the Argent Retaliation rejoining the alliance.

What do you guys think ?

[Boogums]

The Argent Dawn was never part of the Alliance, so it would be impossible for them to go back to the Alliance.

[checking facts]

so, all alliance death knights join the horde. terrific

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The Argent Dawn was never part of the Alliance, so it would be impossible for them to go back to the Alliance.

the argent crusade is the fusion between the argent dawn and the knights of the silver hand. the KotSH were an alliance order before joining with the argent dawn, so yea, part of the AC was alliance, the other part was neutral.

[Hitei]

The Argent Dawn was never part of the Alliance, so it would be impossible for them to go back to the Alliance.

The Argent Crusade is a combination of the Argent Dawn and the Knights of the Silver Hand, who were part of the Alliance.

[Absintheminded]

Not only has the Argent Crusade never been affiliated, but the Argent Dawn (the original anti-Scourge/Legion group) was also not affiliated with any faction. They seek to protect Azeroth, and have races from the Horde as well as Alliance represented.


UGH.

The Argent Crusade is a combination of the Argent Dawn and the Knights of the Silver Hand, who were part of the Alliance.

Irrelevent. Argent Crusade is unaffiliated.

[JudgePayne]

so, all alliance death knights join the horde. terrific

alliance deathknights still have Thassarian who can act as a leader of alliance deathknights.

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Tirion fordring and the majority of the orginal leaders of the argent crusade all were from the alliance, Tirion fought with the alliance at the battle of blackrock mountain against the orcs.

I would just like to know if people like the concept also, I think it would be cool to have big lore characters like him involved again and not just side lined now.

[Boogums]

Not only has the Argent Crusade never been affiliated, but the Argent Dawn (the original anti-Scourge/Legion group) was also not affiliated with any faction. They seek to protect Azeroth, and have races from the Horde as well as Alliance represented.


UGH.



Irrelevent. Argent Crusade is unaffiliated.

Exactly, if the OP was "bring the Knights of the Silver Hand" back to the Alliance and the Argent Crusade broke up, sure. The fact of the matter is, the Argent Crusade was never part of the Alliance, so there's no way for them to go back.

[Florena]

Sorry but I don't like the concept. Ebon Blade have no reason to side with alliance or horde, and the Crusade's call is above that. Nor does Sylvannas have a good reason to attack Hearthglen. Just because ONE neutral faction joined a side doesn't mean we should shoehorn all of them into a side. I'd rather just see a New Silver Hand order form within the alliance or something similar.

[Pendragon]

They were never Alliance, but the Argent Crusade vs Sylvanas needs to happen considering she's slaughtering and raising humans to fight for her.

[JudgePayne]

Exactly, if the OP was "bring the Knights of the Silver Hand" back to the Alliance and the Argent Crusade broke up, sure. The fact of the matter is, the Argent Crusade was never part of the Alliance, so there's no way for them to go back.

There changed are you guys happy. The agrent crusade changed to the knights of the silver hand

[Hoky]

Wasn't Tirion pretty much the last of the silver hand to begin with, Who by Alliance standards already was neutral as he befriended Eitrigg even before the scourge was there. And by that as the last of the Silverhand, Joining it with the Dawn made the Argent crusade neutral as can be.

[Deleted]

The "Knights of the Silver Hand" faction that merged with the Argent Dawn was nothing more than a title that Tirion hold when the organization collapsed. The old organization became the Scarlet Crusade.

So, there is no Silver Hand to return to the Alliance when its last member reformed it and made it neutral.

[JudgePayne]

Wasn't Tirion pretty much the last of the silver hand to begin with, Who by Alliance standards already was neutral as he befriended Eitrigg even before the scourge was there. And by that as the last of the Silverhand, Joining it with the Dawn made the Argent crusade neutral as can be.

thats the point is to take a netural character, and after witnessing the power the dark lady is now using to ressurect the dead, decides to rejoin the alliance to combat her.

[Totle]

Tirion fordring and the majority of the orginal leaders of the argent crusade all were from the alliance, Tirion fought with the alliance at the battle of blackrock mountain against the orcs.

Wrong Alliance. That was the Seven Kingdoms, not the Alliance as we know it.

[Deleted]

thats the point is to take a netural character, and after witnessing the power the dark lady is now using to ressurect the dead, decides to rejoin the alliance to combat her.

Except Tirion, more than anyone, goes over the concept of faction and builds up upon friendship with every race.

Furthermore, the faction conflict is most likely going to end with Garrosh. No way the new Horde leadership will support another war against the Alliance just because of Sylvanas.

[JudgePayne]

"The Argent Crusade is a faction created from the union of the Argent Dawn, a few survivors of the Scarlet Crusade who didn't follow Abbendis to Northrend, and the Reformed Order of the Silver Hand" wowwiki

Lets get this settled

Agrent dawn was created by ex Scarlet Crusade who all severed the alliance during the second war, this is backed up in the warcraft comic Ashbringer showing the paladins fighting for the alliance against the orish horde.

Scarlet Crusade see above.

Reformed Order of the Silver Hand Years after its decimation by the corrupted Prince Arthas during the Third War, the order in Lordaeron was then reformed by Tirion Fordring Current ly all those present in Stormwind and the Southern Kingdoms were not affected by the ravages of the Scourge, and thus remain active members of the Alliance. All Human and Dwarf paladin player characters join the Silver Hand upon completion of their class introduction quest.

So can people stop saying these people were not alliance they were....

[Derah]

The main problem with this is that both the Argent Crusade and Knights of the Ebon Blade are a multi-racial organization.

There are orcs, and taurens, and trolls, and forsakens, blood elves, and even goblins as part of the Argent Crusade. How well do you think the alliance would welcome THEM? The alliance is racist, they treat all orcs the same regardless if they are horde or not (Don't believe me? Check Admiral Rogers' speech on the Skyfire as they are about to attack the horde base, she says the horde attacked redridge, but those were blackrock orcs who were NOT part of the horde. But for your average alliance, orc is orc, and must die, so there)

At the same time, the Knights of the Ebon Blade also have humans, and gnomes, and dwarves, and draenei, and night elves. How do you think THOSE will be treated in the horde? As it is the horde troops had to be directly ordered to NOT harrass the human members of the mercenary ship that took them to vashj'ir because after all this time there is still bad blood between orcs and humans. Not to mention that the whole "Might makes Right" mentality of horde society would make them harrass the gnome DKs.

Yeah that aint happening.

[JudgePayne]

Wrong Alliance. That was the Seven Kingdoms, not the Alliance as we know it.

true but the underlying being that he fought beside the same people and or factions that are still in game today.

He would have fought beside the dwarves, the kingdom of stormwind, the gnomes. these factions have not changed.

[Maxilian]

I like it, but the reason why Sylvanas attack hearthglen looks really... stupid, is like... "You don't agree with me?.... well..... I WILL KILL YOU AND ALL YOUR PEOPLE!!!, try adding something more to make that fight have a little more sense

[Deleted]

Lets get this settled

Agrent dawn was created by ex Scarlet Crusade who all severed the alliance during the second war, this is backed up in the warcraft comic Ashbringer showing the paladins fighting for the alliance against the orish horde.

Scarlet Crusade see above.

Reformed Order of the Silver Hand Years after its decimation by the corrupted Prince Arthas during the Third War, the order in Lordaeron was then reformed by Tirion Fordring Current ly all those present in Stormwind and the Southern Kingdoms were not affected by the ravages of the Scourge, and thus remain active members of the Alliance. All Human and Dwarf paladin player characters join the Silver Hand upon completion of their class introduction quest.

So can people stop saying these people were not alliance they were....

The reformed Order of the Silver Hand happened after old Tirion's chain in the Plaguelands. He called himself the Highlord of the new Order of the Silver Hand. Nothing more happened until WotLK, when Highlord Tirion created the Argent Crusade.

We still don't know why the human and dwarf paladins are called of "Silver Hand" when they never joined neither old or new Order of the Silver Hand. It's one of the walking plot holes in WoW.