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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Paintank View Post
    Because blizzard confirming he isn't was not enough... sigh
    he ISN"T CORRUPTED BLOODY HELL
    Oh, so Garrosh mentioning voices (Old God!!) talking to him and showing visions of fear, doubt, anger and hatred isn't corruption? It's the same corruption that caused Deathwing to betray his own kind. Or do you honestly think Deathwing wasn't corrupted either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    Oh, so Garrosh mentioning voices (Old God!!) talking to him and showing visions of fear, doubt, anger and hatred isn't corruption? It's the same corruption that caused Deathwing to betray his own kind. Or do you honestly think Deathwing wasn't corrupted either?
    The developer even said hes not corrupted DEAL WITH IT.
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  3. #403
    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    Well, to everyone saying Garrosh isn't corrupted... we finally have confirmation from the sound files. He is corrupted just like Deathwing was. Influenced by voices and images brought on by an Old God. Case closed.
    Up untill the point where he is exposed to the heart, which he is using as a weapon not because some voices told him to, he never showed any signs of this. So before that point he was just being a giant dick, no corruption involved. Also, the powers of the heart probably won't corrupt him in such a short time frame. Hearing voices after absorbing the powers of the heart=/=instant corruption.

    Devs also told us he wasn't corrupted, give it a rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    Oh, so Garrosh mentioning voices (Old God!!) talking to him and showing visions of fear, doubt, anger and hatred isn't corruption? It's the same corruption that caused Deathwing to betray his own kind. Or do you honestly think Deathwing wasn't corrupted either?
    Are you actually just broken in the head? As Apathy, and others, have said, the designers and developers themselves have said he is not corrupted. I'm a lot more inclined to believe the actual authors of the story than whatever random ramblings you appear to be spewing out just for the sake of having an argument.

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  6. #406
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    yeah... thats kind of a derp things for blizzard.. so it explains why Thrall can't summon the elements to his aid and he has to fight hand to hand, but.. player shamans, we can still use the elements and summon them to our aid?

    Its like magneto yelling 'haha, You cannot attack me wolverine, I have control of all metal things around me, metal bends to my will!', and then colossus comes up and bitch slaps him.
    I can imagine the scene
    Dark Shaman: "so you won't listen to Thrall! oookeeeey?"
    Elementals: "Ok! what about the others?"
    Dark Shamans: "others who?"
    Elementals: "nevermind *eheheh*"
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    If X is % better then Y, Y is bad. I hate that concept with the searing, burning unfathomable energy of a collapsing supergiant.

  7. #407
    I don't think Jaina and LT actually die. I think those sound files are if you fail the boss.

    ---------- Post added 2013-06-20 at 07:33 AM ----------

    I'd rather see Thrall die than Nazgrim. Thrall had his time but Nazgrim had possibilities.

  8. #408
    Hmmm...

    So, Garrosh's audio about Thrall is interesting. It sounds as if he manages to defeat him in combat by shutting off the elements. However, this doesn't mean Thrall is going to die. The worst punishment to an Orc is exile, and to be powerless. Garrosh may let Thrall live and watch him carve out the future for his Horde, all the while Thrall can't do anything to stop him. Or, Garrosh may have learned from history class and might just kill Thrall so he doesn't do what Gul'Dan did with Durotan.

    Also, Garrosh is NOT corrupt. Those few mentions of and Old God he makes are almost assuredly from Phase 3, when it shouldn't come as a surprise that he feels SOME of there influence, seeing his model and what not. He was still the asshole who made them a weapon.

    Varian and Vol'Jin are most likely left out because they are going to play key roles later in the raid. Varian will 100% not die. The mass amount of complaints from the Alliance will be unmatched.

    I'm interested to see what role Anduin will have. Garrosh thinks Anduin is dead, and Anduin is actively participating with the Celestials. They have something big planned for him this patch.

  9. #409
    These audios...
    5.4 is going be awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    yeah... thats kind of a derp things for blizzard.. so it explains why Thrall can't summon the elements to his aid and he has to fight hand to hand, but.. player shamans, we can still use the elements and summon them to our aid?

    Its like magneto yelling 'haha, You cannot attack me wolverine, I have control of all metal things around me, metal bends to my will!', and then colossus comes up and bitch slaps him.
    Gameplay mechanics =/= lore.

    Otherwise a single of my characters would be the greatest mass murderer Azeroth has ever known, not to mention the other several million other 90s.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintank View Post
    Because blizzard confirming he isn't was not enough... sigh
    he ISN"T CORRUPTED BLOODY HELL
    Depends on your definition of corruption, but hmm.

    He's bat-shit crazy... And so was Deathwing.

    He's hearing dark whisperings from an old god... And so was Deathwing.

    He goes all tentacle-crazy... And so did Deathwing.


    So yeah, when they put an Old God in this raid, they made the raid not about Garrosh anymore. Supreme disappointment. Sad, Blizzard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apathy - View Post
    The developer even said hes not corrupted DEAL WITH IT.
    They also said we'd have a Dance Studio in WOTLK and that we'd never have paid race changes. And that the Alliance would have some moment in Siege to make them proud. Hmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    These audios...
    5.4 is going be awesome
    Granted. But a lot of the lore still smacks a bit cringeworthily.

  11. #411
    I'll definitely be interested to see what Thrall's side of his conversation is with Garrosh. I'd almost say that it might not be part of the raid at all, and instead players will witness in a quest event, possibly through the dream brew rather then directly.

    Anyways, if Thrall intends to pass on the position of Warchief, this conversation is probably the first time we'll learn of it. I could see Thrall actually conceding that he wasn't the best Warchief, but that there is a truer Warchief then either of them, and his name is Vol'jin (or whoever the next Warchief will be, but I if not Thrall then it will probably be Vol'jin).
    Roleplaying, hardcore Raiding, running LFR on the occasional weekend, PvPing, rolling alts, achievement hunting, pet battling, or just enacting an endless series of whims, I don't care how you play WoW. Just as long as you have fun doing it.

  12. #412
    Garrosh is acting of his own volition, and of his own free will decides to take the power of an old god and corrupt himself for more power. So yeah he gets corrupted but it's on his terms, and it's not been the driving force behind his actions for the entire expansion, he only becomes corrupted for the SoO Raid fight.

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    Corruption is such a loose term, even when Blizzard mentions it.

    Is Garrosh corrupted at the end? Yeah, physically he looks it.

    The word we are looking for is controlled or heavily influenced into such actions. Nothing that he has done seems to dictate he had external forces molding him to their will. His goals since the start of this expansion are perfectly inline with his ultimate goal well before he even knew who the Sha were or got a hold of the heart. He's looking for complete and utter conquest. It just happens to be perfectly inline with what the old gods want as well.

    Deathwing is different. He was molded and driven to what he ultimately became.

  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by LocNess View Post
    Yeah like a minute straight of combat sounds from her, most seem like her taking hits. I mean she might have to die if the Horde and Alliance would ever find peace, because will she ever cool down from Theramore?
    And Horde and Alliance making cuddly peace is exactly what Blizzard wants, right? No more conflict! World of Peacecraft, that will sure sell more subscriptions!

    No.

    No conflict, no story, been true since the dawn of time, always will be. Jaina has been retuned FOR conflict this whole expansion, not so Blizz can randomly kill her off, but to generate more story further down the road.

    Jaina will probably be raid boss in 7.4 or 8.3 or something like that, when she's gone all Arthas.

    I could see Varian dying though, there isn't much anywhere that character can go.

  15. #415
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    yeah... thats kind of a derp things for blizzard.. so it explains why Thrall can't summon the elements to his aid and he has to fight hand to hand, but.. player shamans, we can still use the elements and summon them to our aid?

    Its like magneto yelling 'haha, You cannot attack me wolverine, I have control of all metal things around me, metal bends to my will!', and then colossus comes up and bitch slaps him.
    Just another gameplay vs lore thing. Like how you can kill Ragnaros with a dps core of fire mages. Or you could always RP that your shaman is resorting to dark shaman tactics to get by temporarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bregtann View Post
    And Horde and Alliance making cuddly peace is exactly what Blizzard wants, right? No more conflict! World of Peacecraft, that will sure sell more subscriptions!

    No.

    No conflict, no story, been true since the dawn of time, always will be. Jaina has been retuned FOR conflict this whole expansion, not so Blizz can randomly kill her off, but to generate more story further down the road.

    Jaina will probably be raid boss in 7.4 or 8.3 or something like that, when she's gone all Arthas.

    I could see Varian dying though, there isn't much anywhere that character can go.
    Just because a character creates conflict doesn't mean that they'll end up as a raid boss down the road, or intended to be. Jaina's not the woman she used to be but she's not Arthas either.

    ---------- Post added 2013-06-20 at 12:35 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by babo7000 View Post
    Hmmm...

    So, Garrosh's audio about Thrall is interesting. It sounds as if he manages to defeat him in combat by shutting off the elements. However, this doesn't mean Thrall is going to die. The worst punishment to an Orc is exile, and to be powerless. Garrosh may let Thrall live and watch him carve out the future for his Horde, all the while Thrall can't do anything to stop him. Or, Garrosh may have learned from history class and might just kill Thrall so he doesn't do what Gul'Dan did with Durotan.

    Also, Garrosh is NOT corrupt. Those few mentions of and Old God he makes are almost assuredly from Phase 3, when it shouldn't come as a surprise that he feels SOME of there influence, seeing his model and what not. He was still the asshole who made them a weapon.

    Varian and Vol'Jin are most likely left out because they are going to play key roles later in the raid. Varian will 100% not die. The mass amount of complaints from the Alliance will be unmatched.

    I'm interested to see what role Anduin will have. Garrosh thinks Anduin is dead, and Anduin is actively participating with the Celestials. They have something big planned for him this patch.
    Yeah. At most Y'shaarj's heart is duping Garrosh by feeding his pride, but even then, nothing Garrosh has done can be wiped off his slate and blamed on the old god instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Blizzard, stop calling Varian High King. Just call him High King of Humanity. Ugh....


    Also that's not Jaina dying. She's just been given voice acting for grunting while being attacked. Pretty standard.
    But he's High King of the Alliance not just humanity Similar to Warchief of the horde

  17. #417
    For the sake of your own health, do not listen to jaina soundfiles combat "grunts"
    Ot, pleaseeee no freaking escorts!
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    Im not gonna lie last 40 seconds of jaina files sounds like she got herself into some hardcore sexual competition
    "i cant go on..hugh ehhh uhh eugh ouch...."
    Perhaps she should had trained more

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    Wait wait ... I just listened to Nazgrim's audio and in it he is talking to Gamon... Does he fight with you?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Wait wait ... I just listened to Nazgrim's audio and in it he is talking to Gamon... Does he fight with you?!?!
    Yeah there's an achievement if you keep him alive at the fight as well with his own ''dialogue''

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