Aura Mastery - Brought by all Paladins.
Hand of Protection - Brought by all Paladins.
Hand of Freedom - Brought by all Paladins (good on fights like Iron Qon heroic if a caster gets reduced cast time by spear lines).
Hand of Purity - Brought by all Paladins.
So tell me now, why shouldn't my guild ask me to spec Prot (considering they are in such a good place right now) and then ask the Guardian Druid to spec Resto in return seeing as Resto Druids are much stronger than us? Or maybe ask our Brewmaster Monk to spec Mistweaver and bring Utility that no other Monk spec will bring. What actual benefit do I bring as Holy than I couldn't bring as any other spec?
Last edited by Ishau; 2013-06-23 at 08:23 PM.
I don't mind using judge, just not every 6 seconds in addition to Holy Shock.
Last edited by Freia; 2013-06-23 at 08:42 PM.
Yeah it would have been nice to have a raidwide defensive cooldown that stopped physical damage, too, especially in Heart of Fear. And yeah, it would have been nice to have a host of other things that other classes get. But I'm sure there are people playing other classes that look at some of the things we have and say "damn it would be nice to have something like that."
Last edited by Pizza the Hutt; 2013-06-23 at 09:08 PM.
SH would have to be really really really good for me to take it. Using judgement on cd is just obnoxious.
People in this thread are arguing that Holy Paladins will still be brought after the nerfs because of their utility, and our counter claim is that well if the other specs provide the same utility there is no reason to bring Holy anymore.
Having the same utility was fine whilst we could hold our own, be competitive and do our job well. This is no longer the case and utility that any other spec of Paladin could also bring is not good enough anymore.
Last edited by Freia; 2013-06-23 at 09:38 PM.
What people need to realize is that each build released is not every single change they plan on doing at the time they release it, nor is it in any way supposed to be taken as final. Every "If they release the patch as is..." is a waste of a post because there is no reason to think that the builds this early are final or even complete.
Everyone's concerns here are legitimate and are definitely worth taking a look at, but it's unfair to claim Blizzard "doesn't know what to do with the spec" for releasing an early build that has experimental changes in an iterative design process. I guarantee your arguments and concerns will come off a lot better if you drop the dramatic doomsaying and focus feedback on 1) What works with the class 2) What doesn't work and 3) What changes could be made to fix that, rather than just repeating that Holy Paladins won't be brought to raids anymore (which would only be true for hardcore progression guilds anyways).
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A simple healing increased by % x isn´t going to do it.
Well guess we gonna get new PTR patch nws monday/tuesday..
The balnce of the Tier is a start. Furthermore the Change to EF has to be compensated with other new or changed Tools.
And afterwards it has to be adjusted ins caling etc to other specs. Of course it´s a viable path to go for to check other classes abilities to get an idea of the possible strength of the new /changed ability of ours. But ranting about : the others are better and we Need more isn´t going to solve it either if you get what I mean. And just to get things straight: I am not saying you did so. I am Aware of your Posts here so far
Boomkin tranq is actually stronger than resto tranq with HotW
old mistweaver probably still better than u
If anything, HotW should just not buff tranq, and only make the actual healing spells (rejuv, healing touch) on par with Resto's version.