It isn't just spread aoe, even on stacked aoe our actual healing output is lackluster compared to other healers. Our mastery is the only thing that makes our healing look decent in both scenarios. You seem to be unaware of why we use EF over LoD. It isn't for the healing, it is because EF is the most efficient way to keep our mastery rolling on the raid. If you look at fights like Megaera the top paladins are still EF blanketing over LoD. LoD just heals for too little and doesn't have as much synergy with our mastery as EF does. You keep saying EF is the problem, but no it really isn't. Our mastery is the problem.
As I said earlier, our actual heals get snipped by the other healers who have superior toolkits. That is why we rely so heavily on mastery and overhealing to stack it up.
You also, Diatenium, obviously do know why paladins and disc priests do poorly on heroic Tortos compared to other healers. It has nothing to do with it being spread.
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As for the subject of spread-out healing, I'm not sure what can be done to resolve this matter. I think there's some merit to be had about increasing the range of our aoe heals (Primarily Holy Radiance), but that raises the issue of it potentially being too effective (IE, if it were 40 yards, ostensibly hitting all players, then there's no risk of misuse and subsequently a higher risk of players spamming it into oblivion), otherwise I think it's not entirely unfair to have some fights where a certain class will under-perform--Don't get misinterpret me, I agree that the performance of Holy Paladins in 25-mans is more an overall issue and it's one I want to resolve just as much as anyone else here (though that bounces right back to the topic of healer ecology in a more "Ideal" setting).
Urgh, this is exhausting, I'm going to need to take a break.
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Gonna repeat what others said during reglitchgate. There's no point derailing the discussion by conversing with people who aren't aware of our issues. Just don't reply to him amd keep it constructive.
This is a perfect example of just how out of the game you currently are. We already spam HR just for the HP, and have for quite a while. Either learn how healing works now or just leave the thread, because you aren't helping anyone or contributing to a good discussionOriginally Posted by Diatenium
...Look, friend, buddy, I'm being genuine here when I'm saying I'm not trying to rouse a conflict for conflict's sake. You're not talking to a developer, you're talking to another player who's just as passionate about the game as you are, the entire purpose of a forum is that it's a place to exchange ideas and views with others, I can't believe I have to explain this. If you think I'm wrong, patiently articulate your disagreement and maybe we can learn something from the dialogue, there's no rush.
I hate derailing the discussion like this, but I'm heading off for a bit anyways, take care!
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1. Stacked AoE is a ridiculous healing niche. The healers that perform well at spread AoE healing are just as strong at stacked AoE (often stronger) but the reverse is not true.
2. Paladins aren't even that strong at stacked AoE. If you're going to force stacked AoE as a healing niche then it needs to be stronger than the other healers. True perhaps for shamans but not for paladins.
Something to muse for 6.0 rather than now, but buffing the range of HR, LoD and HP could at least make us more proficient at spread healing.
This ain't Cata anymore, where HR actually did healing. Nor does it help your case when you even mention Daybreak at all. We can sit down and go through every ability every heal class and what it does or doesn't do, but that is off topic from this thread. You are driving this thread off topic. Nor is this Cataclysm, you cited a MOP fight (Tortos) that doesn't even matter, if you actually raided you would understand why.
I, too, hate that it is resorting to "ad hominem" and simply putting you on ignore since I used to raid with you, but that seems to be what it is slowly coming down to because you are derailing this thread. If I didn't know you beforehand, I would not have responded and you'd be on ignore, but I figured I'd do this as a favor.
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We are just left with a mediocre AoE heal that we cast even if everyone is spread just to get HP.
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Here's the problem. Right now out of the 5 non-druid heal specs, 3 have resto-like play. Resto druids getting Genesis, in fact, makes monks even closer to druids. That leaves us and Disc. Right now with EF not stacking IH and not becoming baseline, they seem to want to rob our absorbs (making us less of a Disc playstyle?)To continue, we don't want every paladin playing like a Resto druid, and honestly neither should you paladins. EF shouldn't be mandatory.
So what the fuck are we supposed to be, because Blizzard even mentioned they want to emphasize HoTs in SoO (given the amount of NPC's we have to heal, that fact is obvious), but now they want to take away/neuter any HoTs we have. Looks like a triple whammy.
And +8% to Light of Dawn and -25% to Eternal Flame (given changes since 5.3) isn't going to do shit.
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