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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    No difference between the two?
    Are you ignoring that the Lich King worked for the Burning Legion?
    Are you ignoring that the Lich King wanted to kill all living?
    Are you ignoring that the Lich King attacked our capitals?

    That's like saying that the USA and North Korea are no different because they both have nukes.
    It's not about what weapons you have, it's about how you use them that makes the difference.
    The LK didn't work for the Burning Legion.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel Tyrael View Post
    The LK didn't work for the Burning Legion.
    He did at first. The LK wasn't able to break free of his demon overseers until he had DK Arthas to do his dirty work.
    Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-06-22 at 02:18 AM.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Endre View Post
    Why do people want to kill/make evil all the interesting characters? Is everyone a 7 year old?

    Make Thrall evil, or make Malfurion evil, don't make the characters, that are interesting, corrupted or evil ... WoW is becoming a Cinderella or some other bullshit story, seriously.

    ^ This.

    <3 Sylvanas

  4. #124
    Our Lady Sylvanas represents the BEST the Horde has to offer. She alone has the cunning, the will, and the pedigree to lead us to our future. She will fight scourge, dreadlords, even ARTHAS himself....to make the world a better place! The noble Dark Lady has our respect.

    What BEST for Sylvanas is BEST for the WORLD is best for YOU!

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel Tyrael View Post
    The LK didn't work for the Burning Legion.
    he did, but he was scheming to get free from the legion while working for them. kil'jaeden made him to help the legion invade azeroth, and he did that (he had arthas summon archimonde and shit), but what he really wanted was to get azeroth from himself and tell the legion to shove it. that was the pre-"fusion with arthas" lich king though. after the end of WC3TFT, the lich king became a free and arthasy entity.
    Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.

  6. #126
    Arthas is the LK.

    The LK (Nerzhuls spirit) ''worked'' for the Burning Legion only to not be eliminated by Kil'jaeden, when he first was created. He was always planning to get out and have his revenge on The Burning Legion (you can see this playing WC3).

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel Tyrael View Post
    Arthas is the LK.
    Bolvar is the LK.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  8. #128
    *sarcasm* Garsh, could it be that Sylvannas is evil? (Answer: Roll a worgen, play to about level 15, watch the cutscenes)

  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by markdall View Post
    *sarcasm* Garsh, could it be that Sylvannas is evil? (Answer: Roll a worgen, play to about level 15, watch the cutscenes)
    Or roll a forsaken, play to about level 25. Decide which side is the more evil one. The invading and destroying Forsaken, or the resident Alliance?
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  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Bolvar is the LK.
    I was speaking when he was ''supposedly'' working for the Burning Legion.

  11. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by SidheKnight View Post
    Yes, she has.

    As shown in the Forsaken starting area post-Cataclysm, she can raise the corpses of the fallen as her Undead slaves.
    Not quite slaves. They're given options, at least so far as we've seen. That may change after her death in Gilneas, but the only hint that she was compelling the risen to serve her and only her was a single bit of quest dialogue in WPL, which was removed before the quest went live.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amonra View Post
    Hence the question, you guys; What does Lor'Themar words mean? did she managed to hack the Valkyries to resurrect blood elves -a side effect from her own valkyr powered ressurrection- or is it just about more ordinary uses for body parts?
    Just because we've only seen her reviving humans doesn't mean she can only revive humans.

    First off, according to lore, there are many undead high elves amongst the Forsaken as well, though we only see a few Dark Rangers and banshees in-game, undead elves are supposed to make up a fairly sizeable portion of the Forsaken. The human and high elf kingdoms were really the only ones to endure Arthas' seige, after all.

    We also know that the Lich King was capable of raising pretty much any race, and hell, there are even worgen death knights from Silverpine. We know that Sylvanas can't raise worgen because of the curse (for some reason), but there's no reason to assume that means she can't raise anything else.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Just because we've only seen her reviving humans doesn't mean she can only revive humans.

    First off, according to lore, there are many undead high elves amongst the Forsaken as well, though we only see a few Dark Rangers and banshees in-game, undead elves are supposed to make up a fairly sizeable portion of the Forsaken. The human and high elf kingdoms were really the only ones to endure Arthas' seige, after all.

    We also know that the Lich King was capable of raising pretty much any race, and hell, there are even worgen death knights from Silverpine. We know that Sylvanas can't raise worgen because of the curse (for some reason), but there's no reason to assume that means she can't raise anything else.
    This quest says only humans can be raised by Val'kyr. "Let us teach the non-humans a lesson in fear. Together we will show them what happens to corpses that we cannot use."

    Those high elves were converted Scourge, the method they used before Val'kyr.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    This quest says only humans can be raised by Val'kyr. "Let us teach the non-humans a lesson in fear. Together we will show them what happens to corpses that we cannot use."

    Those high elves were converted Scourge, the method they used before Val'kyr.
    yet, the only Non-humans... are the worgen. There are no gnomes or dwarves or elves or anything there but worgen. So the quest was right to say... Non-human, as the curse renders the Humans into nonhumans, something more supernatural. So the way i read it is, the Forsaken can raise anything but Worgens because of their Supernatural Curse, but which for some reason the Lich King is the only one able too for some odd reason.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfen View Post
    yet, the only Non-humans... are the worgen. There are no gnomes or dwarves or elves or anything there but worgen. So the quest was right to say... Non-human, as the curse renders the Humans into nonhumans, something more supernatural. So the way i read it is, the Forsaken can raise anything but Worgens because of their Supernatural Curse, but which for some reason the Lich King is the only one able too for some odd reason.
    Except the quest has you killing gnome and night elf scouts of the 7th Legion.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Except the quest has you killing gnome and night elf scouts of the 7th Legion.
    Heh touche

    But i still think they can raise non human, or else... then whats the point of lorthemar saying No taking the corpses?

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfen View Post
    Heh touche

    But i still think they can raise non human, or else... then whats the point of lorthemar saying No taking the corpses?
    It's possible that Sylvanas found a way to raise non-humans, but until 5.4 hits live, that's unconfirmed/speculation.
    Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-06-22 at 05:54 AM.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  17. #137
    He is like an officer from Star Wars

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    Or roll a forsaken, play to about level 25. Decide which side is the more evil one. The invading and destroying Forsaken, or the resident Alliance?
    i find the alliance more evil. heres why. the forsaken previously owned the areas of Lorderon.. and now since they died they are no longer allowed on their own property. normally this would be ok in real life. some1 dies and their estate is willed over. however, in wow the forsaken can be res'd back.. therefore they should still be allowed to live there. so... when people try and take their homes back, thats messed up.

    anyway. being a worgen makes me laugh so hard when u play through the scenes.. it seems like Sylvanas uses the plague all the time like its the only thing she does. They paint such a horrible picture of her its hilarious. When you play the horde version she appears more fair.. even human almost. but anyway, the worgen version is very narrow minded.

    Back on topic. Lorthermar just doesnt want his soldiers res'd as undead. thats understandable. like a religious thing where theres cremation or whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    It's possible that Sylvanas found a way to raise non-humans, but until 5.4 hits live, that's unconfirmed/speculation.
    Not to mention she might try to sow abominations out of them, which is something the forsaken are capable of.
    He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    i find the alliance more evil. heres why. the forsaken previously owned the areas of Lorderon.. and now since they died they are no longer allowed on their own property. normally this would be ok in real life. some1 dies and their estate is willed over. however, in wow the forsaken can be res'd back.. therefore they should still be allowed to live there. so... when people try and take their homes back, thats messed up.

    anyway. being a worgen makes me laugh so hard when u play through the scenes.. it seems like Sylvanas uses the plague all the time like its the only thing she does. They paint such a horrible picture of her its hilarious. When you play the horde version she appears more fair.. even human almost. but anyway, the worgen version is very narrow minded.

    Back on topic. Lorthermar just doesnt want his soldiers res'd as undead. thats understandable. like a religious thing where theres cremation or whatnot.
    that's actually fairly common, most quests tend to demonize the opposing faction, although it's more rare for alliance to get any "they did something mean" on them (the only exception I remember being the spies and saboteurs in the bloodelf starting zones and also the horde side of camp taurajo story). but yes you have to consider the actual options available to sylvanas. she's given what is essentially a suicide mission in invading an entire kingdom with her forces also dealing with guerrilla resistance in other areas, and fighting the alliance in other places, she wouldn't even be bothering with gilneas in the first place if garrosh hadn't put her up to it. now then, with limited resources and heavy fighting in both that area and others her options are: waste troops, fall back allowing an enraged enemy to then attack HER instead, or use the special weapon she was disallowed the use of by a distrusting orc who doesn't even contribute to the fight beyond openly using forsaken soldiers as cannon fodder. it's not a "bwuahahahahaha I'm evil" moment it's a "I do this and make this fight shorter or I sit here and have a battle of attrition that weakens me to my other problems".


    also back on topic, it MAY be possible she can raise non humans now, blizz isn't beyond retconning things like that into existance and the entire use of just humans is really there to explain why there aren't more undead varieties for players (all undead player-characters look human even though some foraken should logically be from high elves too)
    ...at this point it's almost guaranteed that "war in warcraft" is garrosh getting on his incompetent podium to declare yet another group his enemy for the crime of breathing his air, alliance saying this is horde favoritism, and the more....special....yes.. let's go with special... horde players seeing garrosh as a god because he lets them attack the alliance players who keep saying that out being led by a moron is horde favoritism.

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