(Speculation) Sylvanas according Lor'themar's sound files

[Aquamonkey]

Good for you! Anyways, cdev pretty much explained it. You are either with them or against them. You join up or you are returned to the grave. Free will and all.

You can cover your ears and stamp your feet all you want, you're still wrong. It's directly contradicted in the game. What's so hard to understand that the cdev's answer was incomplete?

[delus]

You can cover your ears and stamp your feet all you want, you're still wrong. It's directly contradicted in the game. What's so hard to understand that the cdev's answer was incomplete?

Funny you say that. Looks to me like you are wrong declaring the answer that cdev gave is invalid. But hey, they are only the people who make the game.

[Aquamonkey]

Funny you say that. Looks to me like you are wrong declaring the answer that cdev gave is invalid. But hey, they are only the people who make the game.

And when they actually went and made the game, what happened? Oh, right, turns out people can choose not to join the Forsaken.

I didn't say it was invalid. I said it was incomplete.

[delus]

And when they actually went and made the game, what happened? Oh, right, turns out people can choose not to join the Forsaken.

This was the explanation they gave after making cata.

[Aquamonkey]

This was the explanation they gave after making cata.

So I guess that one line counts as a retcon of the game quests and all the Forsaken members that left for other factions.

[checking facts]

Funny you say that. Looks to me like you are wrong declaring the answer that cdev gave is invalid. But hey, they are only the people who make the game.

the true answer to this statement is: "isn't falstad dead?"

the devs can make mistakes, forget about things and talk shit like everybody. because of that, what the game says takes priority over what they say on forums.

[delus]

You two are beyond hope.

[Archangel Tyrael]

No difference between the two?
Are you ignoring that the Lich King worked for the Burning Legion?
Are you ignoring that the Lich King wanted to kill all living?
Are you ignoring that the Lich King attacked our capitals?

That's like saying that the USA and North Korea are no different because they both have nukes.
It's not about what weapons you have, it's about how you use them that makes the difference.

The LK didn't work for the Burning Legion.

[Aquamonkey]

The LK didn't work for the Burning Legion.

He did at first. The LK wasn't able to break free of his demon overseers until he had DK Arthas to do his dirty work.

[Tezra]

Why do people want to kill/make evil all the interesting characters? Is everyone a 7 year old?

Make Thrall evil, or make Malfurion evil, don't make the characters, that are interesting, corrupted or evil ... WoW is becoming a Cinderella or some other bullshit story, seriously.

^ This.

<3 Sylvanas

[Kokolums]

Our Lady Sylvanas represents the BEST the Horde has to offer. She alone has the cunning, the will, and the pedigree to lead us to our future. She will fight scourge, dreadlords, even ARTHAS himself....to make the world a better place! The noble Dark Lady has our respect.

What BEST for Sylvanas is BEST for the WORLD is best for YOU!

[checking facts]

The LK didn't work for the Burning Legion.

he did, but he was scheming to get free from the legion while working for them. kil'jaeden made him to help the legion invade azeroth, and he did that (he had arthas summon archimonde and shit), but what he really wanted was to get azeroth from himself and tell the legion to shove it. that was the pre-"fusion with arthas" lich king though. after the end of WC3TFT, the lich king became a free and arthasy entity.

[Archangel Tyrael]

Arthas is the LK.

The LK (Nerzhuls spirit) ''worked'' for the Burning Legion only to not be eliminated by Kil'jaeden, when he first was created. He was always planning to get out and have his revenge on The Burning Legion (you can see this playing WC3).

[Aquamonkey]

Arthas is the LK.

Bolvar is the LK.

[markdall]

*sarcasm* Garsh, could it be that Sylvannas is evil? (Answer: Roll a worgen, play to about level 15, watch the cutscenes)

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

*sarcasm* Garsh, could it be that Sylvannas is evil? (Answer: Roll a worgen, play to about level 15, watch the cutscenes)

Or roll a forsaken, play to about level 25. Decide which side is the more evil one. The invading and destroying Forsaken, or the resident Alliance?

[Archangel Tyrael]

Bolvar is the LK.

I was speaking when he was ''supposedly'' working for the Burning Legion.

[Kathranis]

Yes, she has.

As shown in the Forsaken starting area post-Cataclysm, she can raise the corpses of the fallen as her Undead slaves.

Not quite slaves. They're given options, at least so far as we've seen. That may change after her death in Gilneas, but the only hint that she was compelling the risen to serve her and only her was a single bit of quest dialogue in WPL, which was removed before the quest went live.

Hence the question, you guys; What does Lor'Themar words mean? did she managed to hack the Valkyries to resurrect blood elves -a side effect from her own valkyr powered ressurrection- or is it just about more ordinary uses for body parts?

Just because we've only seen her reviving humans doesn't mean she can only revive humans.

First off, according to lore, there are many undead high elves amongst the Forsaken as well, though we only see a few Dark Rangers and banshees in-game, undead elves are supposed to make up a fairly sizeable portion of the Forsaken. The human and high elf kingdoms were really the only ones to endure Arthas' seige, after all.

We also know that the Lich King was capable of raising pretty much any race, and hell, there are even worgen death knights from Silverpine. We know that Sylvanas can't raise worgen because of the curse (for some reason), but there's no reason to assume that means she can't raise anything else.

[Aquamonkey]

Just because we've only seen her reviving humans doesn't mean she can only revive humans.

First off, according to lore, there are many undead high elves amongst the Forsaken as well, though we only see a few Dark Rangers and banshees in-game, undead elves are supposed to make up a fairly sizeable portion of the Forsaken. The human and high elf kingdoms were really the only ones to endure Arthas' seige, after all.

We also know that the Lich King was capable of raising pretty much any race, and hell, there are even worgen death knights from Silverpine. We know that Sylvanas can't raise worgen because of the curse (for some reason), but there's no reason to assume that means she can't raise anything else.

This quest says only humans can be raised by Val'kyr. "Let us teach the non-humans a lesson in fear. Together we will show them what happens to corpses that we cannot use."

Those high elves were converted Scourge, the method they used before Val'kyr.

[Skayth]

This quest says only humans can be raised by Val'kyr. "Let us teach the non-humans a lesson in fear. Together we will show them what happens to corpses that we cannot use."

Those high elves were converted Scourge, the method they used before Val'kyr.

yet, the only Non-humans... are the worgen. There are no gnomes or dwarves or elves or anything there but worgen. So the quest was right to say... Non-human, as the curse renders the Humans into nonhumans, something more supernatural. So the way i read it is, the Forsaken can raise anything but Worgens because of their Supernatural Curse, but which for some reason the Lich King is the only one able too for some odd reason.