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  1. #401
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Keeping control of your minions, especially those in the weapons development department, should be a priority for an government... Not doing so is a sign of complete incompetency.
    And incompetency in leadership should be an Alliance trademark. So you stole even this.
    We even sent Westfall people to resettle a PLAGUELAND filled with UNDEAD enemies all around them. How we shipped them there when Southshore was bombed to crap could have been a logistical wonder built by a genius, but the decision was made by a 6 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    So the Horde should be destroyed because of incompetence in preventing members who go rogue? *cough* Arthas *cough* Kel'Thuzad *cough* Nozdormu *cough* Deathwing *cough*
    Noone said they should be destroyed, he just said that the horde was being dumb for not watching over Putress, i mean, he was a guy who had control over weapons of mass destruction and he was buddies with a Dreadlord. How stinky is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Noone said they should be destroyed, he just said that the horde was being dumb for not watching over Putress, i mean, he was a guy who had control over weapons of mass destruction and he was buddies with a Dreadlord. How stinky is that?
    I probably mistook his post as supporting Varian's position of wanting to wipe out the orcs over what a rogue Forsaken did (Varian's PoV).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    I probably mistook his post as supporting Varian's position.
    He probably mistook your post for supporting mass murder and destruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    I probably mistook his post as supporting Varian's position of wanting to wipe out the orcs over what a rogue Forsaken did (Varian's PoV).
    I doubt Varian in a calm environment would have acted so brashly as he did then.
    If the Alliance truly won he would probably just force the Orcs to return to Draenor (outlands) and seal the portal behind them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    I doubt Varian in a calm environment would have acted so brashly as he did then.
    If the Alliance truly won he would probably just force the Orcs to return to Draenor (outlands) and seal the portal behind them.
    Trap them in a world full thats falling apart and is full of demons, what a good idea
    I thing he might just, if he wins ofcourse, let them live but not let them have any force or military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Trap them in a world full thats falling apart and is full of demons, what a good idea
    I thing he might just, if he wins ofcourse, let them live but not let them have any force or military.
    They made that bed for themselves XD

    I could Imagine him letting them stay if they agreed to restrict their military. Especially if the Tauren and/or bloodelves converted over to the alliance. Which would permanently tip the balance of power.

  7. #407
    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    They made that bed for themselves XD
    Pretty sure the orcs on Azeroth (who were captured after the 2nd War) had nothing to do with Ner'zhul reopening the Dark Portal and all the other portals on Draenor.
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    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  8. #408
    You guys seem to be forgetting that the big reward the Alliance whelps get from SoO is LIVING. Wrathion says it himself, if Garrosh hadn't turned half the horde against itself, the horde would surely win over the Alliance. Yes, the Horde is almost torn apart but I even so, with half the Horde in rebellion, I think most would still follow Garrosh into war, because, you know, between fighting itself and the Alliance, the choice is pretty obvious. Even if the rest of the Horde didn't help, Garrosh and the Kor'kron alone would be enough to put a huge dent in the Alliance (they wouldn't win of course, but they would still do ALOT of damage). By helping in SoO, you're preventing Alliance deaths and eliminating what is now the biggest threat to Azeroth. That should be more than enough for the righteous and we-are-the-good-guys Alliance.
    Noone leaves this fight a winner. Allies and Hordes are going to fight together so that both can survive and overthrow a tyrant. The Horde could as well let you do all the work and then walk over your wounded and weakened asses, eliminating both the Alliance and Garrosh in one sitting. Take the fact that the Horde isn't doing that as your big prize and reward and stop crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Pretty sure the orcs on Azeroth (who were captured after the 2nd War) had nothing to do with Ner'zhul reopening the Dark Portal and all the other portals on Draenor.
    Come off it. Its a piece of shit now because of Orcish actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ykza View Post
    You guys seem to be forgetting that the big reward the Alliance whelps get from SoO is LIVING. Wrathion says it himself, if Garrosh hadn't turned half the horde against itself, the horde would surely win over the Alliance. Yes, the Horde is almost torn apart but I even so, with half the Horde in rebellion, I think most would still follow Garrosh into war, because, you know, between fighting itself and the Alliance, the choice is pretty obvious. Even if the rest of the Horde didn't help, Garrosh and the Kor'kron alone would be enough to put a huge dent in the Alliance (they wouldn't win of course, but they would still do ALOT of damage). By helping in SoO, you're preventing Alliance deaths and eliminating what is now the biggest threat to Azeroth. That should be more than enough for the righteous and we-are-the-good-guys Alliance.
    Noone leaves this fight a winner. Allies and Hordes are going to fight together so that both can survive and overthrow a tyrant. The Horde could as well let you do all the work and then walk over your wounded and weakened asses, eliminating both the Alliance and Garrosh in one sitting. Take the fact that the Horde isn't doing that as your big prize and reward and stop crying.
    I don't see how the Horde could win against the Alliance in a prolonged total war unless the Forsaken employed massive amounts of new plague, which would be a really bad idea because it would probably get the dragon flights involved against them.

    The Alliance, hell, the kingdom of Stormwind has a larger population than the horde. The alliance has better tech, better supply lines, the members are much friendlier, and the cities (ironforge in particular) are better fortified.

    In reality if you run the specs of both factions it comes out very similar to the stats of the Union and the Confederacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    The Alliance, hell, the kingdom of Stormwind has a larger population than the horde.
    Population stats are from the RPG and are no longer canon. We do not know the relative population sizes of Horde vs. Alliance.
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    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
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    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

  11. #411
    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Come off it. Its a piece of shit now because of Orcish actions.

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    I don't see how the Horde could win against the Alliance in a prolonged total war unless the Forsaken employed massive amounts of new plague, which would be a really bad idea because it would probably get the dragon flights involved against them.

    The Alliance, hell, the kingdom of Stormwind has a larger population than the horde. The alliance has better tech, better supply lines, the members are much friendlier, and the cities (ironforge in particular) are better fortified.

    In reality if you run the specs of both factions it comes out very similar to the stats of the Union and the Confederacy.
    Oh yes, I'm sure the Alliance has a better everything, that's why they have already destroyed the Horde and win every fight and the Horde exists because the Alliance allows it. Ohh wait, they haven't and they don't.
    Besides, the Black Prince himself said that the Horde WOULD HAVE won, and I guess he knows way more than you do, since, you know, he is the Black Prince. Listen to his audio. Please try again.

  12. #412
    Quote Originally Posted by ykza View Post
    Oh yes, I'm sure the Alliance has a better everything, that's why they have already destroyed the Horde and win every fight and the Horde exists because the Alliance allows it. Ohh wait, they haven't and they don't.
    Besides, the Black Prince himself said that the Horde WOULD HAVE won, and I guess he knows way more than you do, since, you know, he is the Black Prince. Listen to his audio. Please try again.
    The alliance, like the Union would lose at first and take a long time to get rolling, but once they did, the Horde would have fallen.

    The Black prince, while knowlegable, does not have Wowpedia at his fingertips.

  13. #413
    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Come off it. Its a piece of shit now because of Orcish actions.
    Okay then, if you're going to blame the entire race for something only some of its members did... Sundering happened because of night elf actions. The Cataclysm happened because of the Aspects' actions. The Horde and Scourge invasions happened because of human actions. Everything the Forsaken do counts as human and elf actions. Everything the Burning Legion did counts as Titan actions. Everything KJ and Acrhimonde did count as Draenei actions.
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    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propainn View Post
    I had a great time helping Grand Marshal Thrall through Dragon Soul. Can't wait to see him in Stormwind.

    /sarcasmifitwasntobviousenough
    I died.



    I... I think I just want finished stories. We're lacking any good build from the Alliance. Draenei are never taken seriously. Nor are Gnomes. Worgen are shelved.

    That leaves the whipping boys which are the Night elves now to be defended by the almighty humans. I love humans-don't get me wrong. But seeing more from the Alliance as a whole would be nice. I have to admit Blood in the Snow was amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Okay then, if you're going to blame the entire race for something only some of its members did... Sundering happened because of night elf actions. The Cataclysm happened because of the Aspects' actions. The Horde and Scourge invasions happened because of human actions. Everything the Forsaken do counts as human and elf actions. Everything the Burning Legion did counts as Titan actions. Everything KJ and Acrhimonde did count as Draenei actions.
    Are you unaware of all the shit the orcs did before that that directly led to that moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Are you unaware of all the shit the orcs did before that that directly led to that moment?
    The orcs trapped on Azeroth had nothing to do with Ner'zhul going crazy and opening the portals that destroyed their homeworld. They weren't even part of the same Horde.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Okay then, if you're going to blame the entire race for something only some of its members did... .
    thats something thats very prevelant
    People always say "The Alliance should be punished for this" or "The Horde should do this"
    Not realizing that these are groups of nations that are home to hundreds of thousands of different individuals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    I thing he might just, if he wins ofcourse, let them live but not let them have any force or military.
    Strip a nation of its capabilities and independence, thats totally gonna win lots of love
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Guys just stop commenting to Aquamonkey. This guy actually has an inner Orc. He will look for or twist anything the alliance has ever done into a viewpoint where it is an attack on the horde. While most people on this forum are sorta "faction biased" - atleast most have a sense of "yeah ok my faction did bad there and for no reason..."

    You won't find this in mr Monkey's posts at all. I've read hundreds of threads on these boards and everytime a thread such as this one pops up, he races to defend the horde to its extremes. Never tho will he turn to insult (kudos to him).

    @ Aqua: mate I do at times really like your informative posts, when you go on about history or something concerning WoW Lore. You are very informed I give you that. But it either seems you want to sorta fight a real battle for the orcs from a 100% orc viewpoint (for your own amusement) - or your own moral viewpoints are out of wack. And I sincerely hope its the first option.

    I mean no disrespect but thats how I view your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    thats something thats very prevelant
    People always say "The Alliance should be punished for this" or "The Horde should do this"
    Not realizing that these are groups of nations that are home to hundreds of thousands of different individuals

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    Strip a nation of its capabilities and independence, thats totally gonna win lots of love
    Its what happened at the end of WW1 and WW2. The victors decide the rules and thats natural.

    Ofcourse, that wont happen in SoO. The Alliance will come out of it stronger, but we won't get any fist pump moments.
    Yea, we will kill Garrosh, and then we will be thrown out of orgrimmar like an used condom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Its what happened at the end of WW1 and WW2. The victors decide the rules and thats natural.

    Ofcourse, that wont happen in SoO. The Alliance will come out of it stronger, but we won't get any fist pump moments.
    Yea, we will kill Garrosh, and then we will be thrown out of orgrimmar like an used condom.
    Garrithos: Thanks for help, undead, now get the hell out of my city.
    Is killed.

    Vol'Jin: Thanks for help, Alliance, now get the hell out of my city.
    Is crowned the new warchief

    Metzen - trollface.

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