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  1. #61
    Why I have not been in raiding guilds is I have a late night schedule and cant always play. Guild drama was not much of a problem and I enjoyed playing with the players I raided with, just couldnt line up my play time with them anymore and moved to PuG raiding. Its a fallacy that you need a guild to see raid content. Why I moved to LFR is because it was the only way left to both see raid content and progress my character after the massive drop off of late night PuGs on my server after the introduction of LFR. If I could move life around and play during prime time then I could jump into those PuGs and have engaging group based content that fits my casual play times. Also five mans took a beating from the nerf bat and have been made almost useless in order to prop up LFR. If I could have done Challenge modes as an alternative to LFR then I would have but we cant have that because players would cry for nerfs. I had to stop playing LFR as it was just needlessly frustrating and felt far more tedious and grind like than PuG raiding normals and I ended up drinking a lot while still topping meters.

    In the end I stopped playing due to the lack of engaging group based content as a casual.

    Quote Originally Posted by icausewipes View Post
    Simple.

    1. I don't have to fill out a job app.
    Lawl what? The guilds I was in had them and it wasnt enforced but players still did them and those tended to be the players who stuck around. Someone still has to spend their own personal time to read an application and it helps when dealing with players from other realms or on off nights of the week when an officer isnt around to chat with a player live.

    I come from a high population realm so there are a lot of players and if you set your standards too high without having something to back it then you are going to fail as players will have another guild they can look at. Same thing went on with PuGs, if you set an absurd requirements while not meeting them yourselves then you was embarrassed in trade and your raid likely didnt fill. Ah the things that low pops have to deal with that might not be an issue much longer with virtual realms.
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  2. #62
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    Social anxiety, and only one of my friends is willing to play WoW and she barely ever plays.

    The sad part is, is that I'm a fairly big min-maxer, I think I'm pretty adequate, and I constantly try to get better, but my social anxiety coupled with how toxic the community presents itself and all that has kept from trying to do more. (Though, I did pug some raids back in WOTLK, the social stress on that was a lot less back then, it seems to me.)

  3. #63
    I'm in a heroic 25man guild on my main but LFR is good for my alts as there is no way I could ever join guilds on all alts and raid on them all in a normal raiding guild.

    LFR is one of the best things to happen to the game. I know some people don't like it but I'm sure they use it!

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by icausewipes View Post
    1. I don't have to fill out a job app.
    This is a huge factor that's currently keeping me out of raiding at the moment.

    I looked at joining a normal mode guild about five months ago. They were very far behind content wise, but that was okay because I was too. After talking with an officer for quite some time, I was directed to their website to fill out an application. Fine, no problem. Totally understandable, I have filled out many applications for guilds in the past.

    It went a lot like this...

    1 - Give us a link to at least one parse (IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THIS YOUR APP WILL BE DENIED)
    2 - Screen shot of your UI, in combat and out of combat
    3 - List your keybinds
    4 - What rotation would you use in this one particular scenario that is likely never going to happen?

    It went on, and on, and on with questions like that. Remember, this was a guild that wasn't even clearing normal modes. Not even close. They were struggling with mid tier bosses. To make the whole thing even more laughable, I did a heroic 5 man with some members of the guild. Their healer was god awful, and one of the members in the group even whispered me saying "sorry, he's not one of our main raiders, just a friend of the guild", okay, no problem. Except when I go to the healer's armory, he has all the same raid kills as the core team does. Bad gems, bad enchants (if any at all on some gear), missing glyphs, all around not someone I would want to raid with. It's no wonder these guys were struggling in normal modes.

    I'm fine with filling out difficult questions if your guild is at the level where it's worth filling out the questions. But, a lot of the lower end guilds I have looked at have these stupid questions they don't have much business asking. I understand wanting to recruit good players, but if your core team is garbage not many people are going to want to waste their time with a ridiculous application if they know they're not going to get any solid progression in your guild. The time invested into the application isn't worth it.

    That was slightly off topic... that's not 100% the reason why I picked LFR over raiding with a guild. There are a lot of reasons really, but the most prominent reason for me is my Cata guild stopped raiding right after DS was released. We got a couple of heroic kills in, and then we decided to call it quits. We were all burned out from fairly hardcore progression and most of the team wanted to retire. At that time I was transitioning from college life into professional life, and I wasn't sure how that was going to mess with my schedule. I had a lot of major life events coming up, and I knew I wouldn't be able to give my 100% to another raid team in the near future.

    I might be looking at getting into a normal (or even a heroic!) raid guild for SoO, but I haven't decided yet. Finding a good guild that matches all of my needs seems like it's a lot more difficult than it was five years ago.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by quikbunny View Post
    It really isn't stupid though :P It's pretty obvious, but it's pointless trying to get through to someone that prefers pixels over people. LFR offers the perfect balance of having a life and playing the game, raiding guilds however do not.
    bullshit, go away please, my guild raids 3 days a week 3 hours a day, 9 hours, some only make 2 raids thats 6 hours a week, and we are 11/13 25 hc and lei shen 30%.

    you come along and say they prefer pixels over people playing 9 hours a week, holding down a job 6 days a week then go oh man you can't play anything but LFR if you want the perfect balance of having a life and playing the game.

    not every heroic raiding guild plays 20 hours a week or more for progress stop stereotyping everyone into being the same because they participate in the same difficulty.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by quikbunny View Post
    It really isn't stupid though :P It's pretty obvious, but it's pointless trying to get through to someone that prefers pixels over people. LFR offers the perfect balance of having a life and playing the game, raiding guilds however do not.
    Omg, do I smell a hidden insult here?
    Because I spend my 10h a week raiding in organized guild I prefer pixels over people? And because you spend your 5+ hours a week doing LFR + PvP or whatever you do you are a people's person? I actually go out with people that I raid with - you know, some of them are my friends. I also go out on weekends with friends who never played a video game in their life. Oh ye, this might come as a shock to you - but I work too......

  7. #67
    because i didnt play for 6 months so im way behind in gear, and the guild im in right now is way too high for me to raid with them anyway, im just a social.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by icausewipes View Post
    Simple.

    1. I don't have to fill out a job app.
    2. I don't have to schedule my time around 9-24 other ppl.
    3. I don't have to listen to some 13 yr old rage over vent.
    4. I don't have to share loot with 9-24 other ppl.

    Guilds and /trade raids would try and filter people with the chicken or the egg routine pre-lfr. Now the same stuck up pricks cannot fill out their roster and the same people that never got to raid can giggle and que. I say make LFR gear on par with normal mode since you want people playing together.
    You generally try to find a guild that fits YOUR schedule..not the other way around. Also, filling out a raid app is hardly a challenge. Sometimes I think people avoid raiding guilds purely because they make up problems.

  9. #69
    same gear, easier

  10. #70
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    Reasons I am not interested in normal/heroic raiding

    1-Schedule/time commitment. I like to do what I want when I want. I like to do many smaller activities during a session than spend it on a massive one.
    2-LFR/Normal gear differences: Because of point 1, I really do not value the better gear from Normal as worthy to get. LFR gear is enough for what I do and need.

  11. #71
    I used to raid 3 days a week in a guild. 25 mans. Now I don't have time. I log on a bunch of days a week to do LFR and ToT dailies. LFR isn't raiding, but I can progress the toon I'm working on. It's weird. Almost like LFR is a compromise and I'm fully aware of that compromise ...

  12. #72
    It sounds like a bunch of people got rejected by progression guilds and are mad they didn't get carried.

    But here's a reason that sums it all up:
    -Because LFR is easier

    People have always wanted nerfs, easy easier, thinking? no, me no likey, thinky? brain hurt, too thinky much, no like players, mean judge me.

  13. #73
    My guildmates are just a bunch of elitists. They're only #1 on server because the better guild went to a higher population server lol.
    "It's clear this is another bash Apple thread. Such things are not conducive to a good discussion."

    WRONG! Those are the BEST discussions!

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule View Post
    It sounds like a bunch of people got rejected by progression guilds and are mad they didn't get carried.

    But here's a reason that sums it all up:
    -Because LFR is easier

    People have always wanted nerfs, easy easier, thinking? no, me no likey, thinky? brain hurt, too thinky much, no like players, mean judge me.
    To quote an old guild mate "I won't be happy until I zone into the raid instance and there's simply a chest waiting there for me to loot". Obviously, Title 9 and Affirmative Action are applicable and synonymous to LFR. Let's take our country back, and while we're at it our MMO. OR better yet, you can have your MMO back and you can leave reality to the rest of us? Grats, Ayn Rand would be so proud!

  15. #75
    1)Guild politics, do not want or need to deal with this ever again. I was a guild leader years ago in other games and I do not care to bother with that nonsense.

    2)High latency connection means dealing with normal mechanics is added frustration for not much better loot and the same lore. No one cares if my DPS isn't perfect or I nail every mechanic in LFR. Worst I endure is someone talking trash about fail DPS in general, and I can always ignore/leave Instance chat if I don't wanna hear it. I just wanna see the story, get some better loot to see the next level of the story, and I imagine once I see the Siege of Orgrimmar raid, barring them adding some other raid rep with it, I'll stop caring about raid drop gear and focus on valor purchases instead of sitting in a queue all day. Might grind out the Shado-Pan Assault rep on one char for the achieve, that'll be it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bashkar View Post
    I was in a very friendly and successful progression guild... until one of the officers cheated on her husband (another officer), with the guild leader.
    I saw this same thing happen in a guild I was allied with back in my guild leader days. An excellent example of why I do NOT want to deal with guild politics EVER AGAIN.
    Last edited by lawow74; 2013-06-22 at 05:00 AM.

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    I actually have terrible anxiety about my ability to pull my weight, and by extension don't want to raid. I also work nights.
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  17. #77
    I would like the to know how I can raid normals. Here is my situation:

    I have a 5 year old kid, and she is my number 1 priority. She goes to bed anywhere between 8 to 10PM (it varies, she's a kid...little on the late side now that school is out). I need a guild that either raids late after she's asleep, or a guild that is ok that I go AFK all the time, because she loves her daddy and bothers him all the time while I'm in my chair.

    About 4 nights a week I am on call, and have to remote into work. So at the drop of a hat, without warning, even mid-fight, I have to tab out and remote into work. The guild has to be ok with this. It would also be ridiculous to tell my director that pays me approximately 78k a year, that I cannot be on call, or do something, because tonight is raid night.

    My server is medium pop, and slowly dying. There are very few organized guilds left. The perfect time for raiding for me would be on Saturday or Sunday (if it's a weekend I'm not on call). There are currently no guilds on my server that only raid on Saturday's and Sundays. I am absolutely not paying real life money to transfer a virtual character to another server. I'm not a teenage dipshit or a dumbfuck in his 20's.

    Before my daughter came around, I enjoyed normal and heroic raiding, and would still prefer to do it now. I despise LFR, but still run every wing weekly because it is the only way for me to progress my character.

    Taking suggestions! Preferably from the morons who can't understand why people can't raid normals.
    Last edited by ablib; 2013-06-22 at 05:12 AM.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    Taking suggestions! Preferably from the morons who can't understand why people can't raid normals.
    Having Kids and a Job means you're not that committed man. Never would have gotten yourself in that position if you had been serious about progression!

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    I can raid when I want to raid.

    If I'm not in a raiding mood for the night, it doesn't affect 9/24 other people.

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    I, myself, do LFR over raid guilds now because I don't have to make any commitments or times to log in at. I'm not going to be upsetting anyone when I don't feel like raiding and with LFR I can just hop into it whenever I want.

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