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  1. #161
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    Nobody who does normal or heroic modes is worried about what's going on in LFR, except for the first couple weeks of the expansion.

    I think LFR is pretty much like everything else cross-realm, you know what you're getting into ahead of time, proceed with caution. Don't like it? Don't use it.

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    My situation.....

    I have a 22 month old girl and i am four months pregnant with my second child.
    my play times are usually between 2pm - 4:30pm while daughter sleeps.
    However i cant really use this time for anything 'dedicated' as far as concentration goes, as my bf gets home from work roughly 3:15pm.
    And nothing pisses him off more than him getting in and i'm buried in the game, and dont tear myself away for 10 minutes to give him a hug/cuppa/ask how his day was.
    after daughter wakes up, its on with making dinner, getting her showered and in bed, a bit of housework done, maybe watch an hour or so of TV while she tires herself out, until maybe 9pm when she goes to bed. sometimes she doesnt go till 10, depends on the sugar intake slipped to her by the grandmother >.<
    this totally excludes the fact that with kids, shit happens (literally sometimes :P ) missing raid nights due to child illness, injury, temper tantrums, 'sorry guys, need to go shop, just ran out of nappies' etc. cant see it going down too well tbh.
    If we both decide to log back on, my bf only gets an hour before he need to be off to bed since he has early starts, after 11 i have to play 'silent mode' as he complains i type too loudly and keep him awake. This is only a problem because atm we're stuck living with my mum till we can find a place of our own (saving deposit >.<) so our pc's are in our bedroom

    this is all assuming a daily basis. If this was a daily basis, me and my family would have no clean clothes to wear, living in a dirty house with a jungle for a garden, since at some point in my day i need to find time to 'play housewife', which invariably means i dont get to play by the above hours described, on a daily basis.

    Being pregnant again comes with its own problems (for me personally) i suffer regular headaches, some becoming migraines. I have problems with my siatic nerve in my right leg, so i cant sit for long, and the usual, using the loo every half an hour >.< When baby is born, i'll be 'awol' for at least 2 months while struggling to sleep around the 'feeding every 2 hours' schedule and still trying to keep a normal routine for my girl.
    Not to mention, if me and my bf find a place soon, we'll be moving out, which is a massive interruption in itself, and then inevitably waiting to be reconnected to the internet.

    naturally me and the bf come as a pair, resto shammy+warlock. so our schedule looks something like this:
    mon: me - 2-4:30ish me+bf - 9/10ish-11pm
    tue: me - 2-4:30ish me+bf - 9/10ish-11pm
    wed: me - 2-4:30ish me+bf - 9/10ish-11pm
    thur: me - 2-4:30ish me+bf - 9/10ish-11pm
    fri: me - 2-4:30ish me+bf - 9/10ish-11pm
    sat: me - 2-4:30ish me+bf - 9/10ish-11pm
    sun: me - 2-4:30ish me+bf - 9/10ish-11pm

    all of which is subject to change with virtually no notice given

    you think you can find me a guild thats ok with this?

  3. #163
    Why it's so hard to answer to OP with "I do LFR because I like it!"?

    I DO LFR because I like it. It's perfect for me and my personal satisfaction. And even with all the reasons (I know then, my schedule is random as fuck and I got tired of hardcore raiding), they don't really matter because they concern only to ourselves and no one else. It's not that the game doesn't give everyone choices, but NO ONE has to say a word about MY choice. Simple as that.

    Some day people will start understanding that we should concern about bigger issues and not what so other guy/girl do with their pleasure time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    I doubt a lot of people have left raiding specifically FOR LFR. I just rejoined the raiding community myself with my guild as a 10-man raider.
    Actually this is exactly me. I used to focus on normal (tiny bit of heroic) raiding while it was current content. I thought I was having fun, but taking some time away from that - I found that it was actually somewhat stressful progressing and even though I still felt a little goodness from finally downing a boss after two weeks of wipefests on that boss, it was all just getting old. Seeing the same people fail at the same mechanics...

    LFR is just completely stress-free. Sure you can run into bad groups, bad players - but I just approach all this like a good comedy movie. I don't take raiding seriously anymore and I love that. And I know I am not alone with this change.

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    I was in a guild that farmed MC, ZG and AQ20 in Vanilla. When BC hit we as a guild blew chunks and couldn't do shit in Gruuls or Kara, I was afraid I wouldn't get to Illidan by the end of the expansion (even though it was only like two months old at that point) so I jumped ship for a raiding guild.

    If that guild were still around I'd probably be raiding now, but it disbanded in Cata. I miss the shitty guild more though; the people were cooler, the friends were better, the vent and guild chat was funnier, etc., even if the players weren't as good.

    That's why I'm sticking with my current guild. We're not raiding at the moment, but the people are cooler than I'm going to find in any raid guild, plus they're my friends. We've been talking about putting a 10 man group together for... a long time now, and finally making some progress, might actually happen in a month or so. But I don't care if we end up being super all stars or the worst 10 man in the world. My guild, my friends; raiding isn't important in comparison to that. So without LFR, in my situation, I simply wouldn't raid.
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  6. #166
    I like being tortured by terrible groups who don't listen and speak a language I don't understand. So I choose LFR.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Why it's so hard to answer to OP with "I do LFR because I like it!"?
    Well. I do LFR, but I don't really like it ... it feels too much like fighting 16 Patchwerk bosses in a row, standing still and nuke the shit out of them while they slowly, slowly... too slowly creep towards dieing. The main reason I do it is because it's the only form of progression PvE that is available for people who just want to be able to queue for something instead of having to commit to a shedule.

    If they would let us queue for normal or heroic mode raidbosses I'd be doing that instead.
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  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Well. I do LFR, but I don't really like it ... it feels too much like fighting 16 Patchwerk bosses in a row, standing still and nuke the shit out of them while they slowly, slowly... too slowly creep towards dieing. The main reason I do it is because it's the only form of progression PvE that is available for people who just want to be able to queue for something instead of having to commit to a shedule.

    If they would let us queue for normal or heroic mode raidbosses I'd be doing that instead.
    I do understand and I feel the same way, but considering all the circumstances, I do like the LFR for what it opens for me, the chance to raid when I want and have time.

  9. #169
    Mmm, people seem to have plenty of bad experiences with raiding guilds. Don't know why though. I've been in three hardcore raiding guilds and all of them had no drama, no loot whores, no GM/officer god-complex and no raging and/or yelling raid leaders. All of them have been pleasant experiences. Maybe I'm just lucky, or people are joining those raid-5-days-a-week-and-still-can't-get-past-4/12-ToT-normal-who-advertise-in-trade-chat-with-caps guilds...

    And about the "job applications", it is a basic necessity, without it recruiting good players would become a nightmare.
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  10. #170
    Choosing when you raid is a dream. The problem is you're still not "raiding."

    There's none of the excitement, the thrill, the anticipation or sense of accomplishment of working with a team attacking this challenge.

    I wish I could log in whenever and instantly have 24 other players online ready to raid. And when I feel like it I can log off and they'll just wait for me.
    But it's impossible.
    So "raiding" whenever you want is an oxymoron.
    You can get loot whenever you want, sure.
    You can kill the bosses whenever you want, sure.
    But you're not raiding in the same way that keeps players interested week after week.

  11. #171
    I am one of the best geared Death Knights on my server, and I generally outDPS the ones that are better geared. I'm pretty good at this game, and have been part of progression raiding since Ulduar.

    I am also in a guild that has basically fallen apart, and my options for normal raiding right now are to attempt to rebuild the guild for the 20th time, try to find a new guild that fits my time and ability to raid, or run LFR (Though now that I have my cloak, I'm pretty well retired there as well.) Sometimes you can fit the criteria for normal raiding and not have the outlet. LFR, for all its flaws, is a godsend then.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Why it's so hard to answer to OP with "I do LFR because I like it!"?

    I DO LFR because I like it. It's perfect for me and my personal satisfaction. And even with all the reasons (I know then, my schedule is random as fuck and I got tired of hardcore raiding), they don't really matter because they concern only to ourselves and no one else. It's not that the game doesn't give everyone choices, but NO ONE has to say a word about MY choice. Simple as that.

    Some day people will start understanding that we should concern about bigger issues and not what so other guy/girl do with their pleasure time.
    The question is not "Why do you do LFR?", the question is, "If Raiding guilds are so "awesome better content" then why do people choose to do LFR instead when it comes with all the mentioned potential problems?"

    From the answers so far it seems to be one of two answers, either they don't have the time to raid or the raiding guilds are so awful that LFR in contrast is a better option for a persons in game time.

    If the problem is no time for scheduled raids then raiding guilds can't use these people and you just have a bunch of people with nothing to do past dailies and 5 man content. They will quit.

    If the problem is badly behaving Raid Guilds then the only solution is to improve the guild communities from the inside which will require "Raiding Baddies" to become self-introspective and correct their bad behavior. If anything elitist raiders have themselves to blame for LFR.

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    I left raiding long ago after raiding through OG*, BC and most of LK because I was tired of scheduling my life around a game and dealing with petty guild politics and loot drama.

    It is only since LFR came into the game that I have returned to raiding, I'm having lots of fun in a low stress, on my schedule, raiding environment. No plans at all to join another raid guild, though I might join up with a regular flex group once flex is released.

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  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by constantduty View Post
    Having Kids and a Job means you're not that committed man. Never would have gotten yourself in that position if you had been serious about progression!
    This is the funniest post I've seen in a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarM View Post
    I think one thing he is right, rewards in LFR are too great, its not the ilvl, its the itemization. Itens like Horridon´s Last Grasp, Wushoolay, Breath of hydra are too good to be in LFR. There should and will be Normal/Heroic exclusive itens. Blizzard already sad that.
    About ilvl, 20 ilvls is much more then you think, its 1 and half tier. My Disc Priest alt have 17,5k int with 504 ilvl. My Resto Druid main, have 27k int with 533 ilvl, its a huge diference with thundergorged itens and stuff.

    Some people really can´t fit a schedule and are too busy. Most people just can´t find a guild, cause are too lazy or simple don´t care, as i already said, there are guilds that raid 8-9 hours/week with good/perfect heroic progression. Guilds that raid 2 days/week and are already 13/13H.
    IF they make certain items exclusive to normal/flex I might have to screenshot the QQ. It's one thing when you mess with players abilities but you touch their gear and you're going to have trouble lol. If they stand firm and are like NO! You guys don't get it! Then they will have to make the encounters easy enough for people who will have blue trinkets the entire expansion because you aren't getting them to go in a normal or flex mode.
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    They don't. Most LFR raiders are people who never bothered to raid before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    Nobody who does normal or heroic modes is worried about what's going on in LFR, except for the first couple weeks of the expansion.

    I think LFR is pretty much like everything else cross-realm, you know what you're getting into ahead of time, proceed with caution. Don't like it? Don't use it.
    They would be silly to care then, since LFR was not even open. LFR is released after normal and heroic, and even after flex in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule View Post
    Choosing when you raid is a dream. The problem is you're still not "raiding."
    Killing raid bosses inside a raid instance while in a raid group. Sorry but that is raiding. It's sort of like saying a pick up game of street basketball is not real basketball. It's not the NBA, but it is still basketball.
    You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever, But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun...
    And you see a girl's brown body dancing through the turquoise, And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea.
    And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body, Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacotruck View Post

    Killing raid bosses inside a raid instance while in a raid group. Sorry but that is raiding. It's sort of like saying a pick up game of street basketball is not real basketball. It's not the NBA, but it is still basketball.
    They are saying the experience is different. Sure your playing basketball but that sense camaraderie is not there along with others. Even PuG raiding has a different feel than LFR does.

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    I can't commit hours at a time to raiding due to my job. I only feel slightly bad if I have to leave LFR mid-fight or something.

    And I can't seem to find a good guild to stay in with people I really enjoy playing with.

  20. #180
    If your raid guild doesn't treat people like expendable cogs, it will lose out on progression and be ditched by its better players. So it's a choice of being a horrible person, or being a victim of the system. Screw that; at least I can live with myself in LFR.
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