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    Dalaran is in motion!

    What ever happened to that?

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    I think it was blizzard way of trying to be symbolic to the fact the kirin tor moved to the isle of thunder, you know, since they were stationed only in dalaran, and now there moving to this place..

    I dunno, you really need to take what blizzard tells us with a grain of salt these days.
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    Well, it was theorized it was headed towards Orgrimmar to act as the Alliance staging point. Haven't heard hide nor head of that recently though...

    So maybe Northrend was just too cold.
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    One theory I heard and rather liked was the idea that Dalaran would be the Alliance base in the next expansion.

    That, or Nat Pagle is the true master of the Kirin Tor and was taking it on a fishing trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darmalus View Post
    One theory I heard and rather liked was the idea that Dalaran would be the Alliance base in the next expansion.

    That, or Nat Pagle is the true master of the Kirin Tor and was taking it on a fishing trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darmalus View Post

    That, or Nat Pagle is the true master of the Kirin Tor and was taking it on a fishing trip.
    It makes sense. All those glassfin minnow schools beneath Dalaran made it a prime fishing spot.
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    They have said that Dalaran is moving but not game wise, The reason is because alot of quests and stuff is leading to the dalaran that stands in Northerend, and it's hard to replace these things/ remove them.

    So they decided to keep Dalaran in-game how it is, and lore wise dalaran is moving to a different place, but this will not be seen in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    They have said that Dalaran is moving but not game wise, The reason is because alot of quests and stuff is leading to the dalaran that stands in Northerend, and it's hard to replace these things/ remove them.

    So they decided to keep Dalaran in-game how it is, and lore wise dalaran is moving to a different place, but this will not be seen in game.

    ????

    Northrend is bound to an old time. Dalaran can be both in northrend pre-LK's defeat and in orgrimmar around Siege. The game has worked this way ever since expansions were released. Cataclysm made a reform for a lot of the vanilla content but TBC and wrath are still in the past.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    ????

    Northrend is bound to an old time. Dalaran can be both in northrend pre-LK's defeat and in orgrimmar around Siege. The game has worked this way ever since expansions were released. Cataclysm made a reform for a lot of the vanilla content but TBC and wrath are still in the past.

    Indeed the Dalaran in northrend is still caverns of time not the real time thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    ????

    Northrend is bound to an old time. Dalaran can be both in northrend pre-LK's defeat and in orgrimmar around Siege. The game has worked this way ever since expansions were released. Cataclysm made a reform for a lot of the vanilla content but TBC and wrath are still in the past.
    When it moved to Northrend, it disappeared from Hillsbrad. The old world (1-60) was still in the past from a WotLK standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    When it moved to Northrend, it disappeared from Hillsbrad. The old world (1-60) was still in the past from a WotLK standpoint.
    This is an exception to a rule which stands for the entirety of TBC and WOTLK content. It's better explained because Dalaran had no ingame use pre-wotlk.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    This is an exception to a rule which stands for the entirety of TBC and WOTLK content. It's better explained because Dalaran had no ingame use pre-wotlk.
    What rule? The rule that states what happens to cities that are moved to another place? How often did it happen that a city or a citadel flies through the air to a different location. The only thing similar to Dalaran is Naxxramas, and here the same thing happened. Moved to Northrend, disappeared from the old world. Why? Because it's confusing and unclean to have those things in two places in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    What rule? The rule that states what happens to cities that are moved to another place? How often did it happen that a city or a citadel flies through the air to a different location. The only thing similar to Dalaran is Naxxramas, and here the same thing happened. Moved to Northrend, disappeared from the old world. Why? Because it's confusing and unclean to have those things in two places in the world.
    No, the rule that the timeline originally didn't change for your characters involvement as you level up. Cataclysm through a spanner in the works but a new character still does all the old content despite the characters being dead. The Arthas is no more but I can see him in 5 places over northrend. Dragonblight got literally hollowed out by old gods yet stands clean when we visit it in reality, etc.

    Timelines don't match up in the slightest in WoW if you look at a place frozen in an old time for player experience. Naxx moved because they didn't want you doing old naxx anymore when they made new naxx. Old dalaran moved because it didn't affect any new players. It didn't really exist for us either - was just a pink bubble. New dalaran doesn't need to change, because if they did the entirety of TBC and wrath need changing.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    When it moved to Northrend, it disappeared from Hillsbrad. The old world (1-60) was still in the past from a WotLK standpoint.
    dalaran in vanilla wasnt actually there, it was just a big purple bubble with nothing in it and there were no quests there. adding in a big crater was just something they thought was cool and changed nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    No, the rule that the timeline originally didn't change for your characters involvement as you level up. Cataclysm through a spanner in the works but a new character still does all the old content despite the characters being dead. The Arthas is no more but I can see him in 5 places over northrend. Dragonblight got literally hollowed out by old gods yet stands clean when we visit it in reality, etc.

    Timelines don't match up in the slightest in WoW if you look at a place frozen in an old time for player experience. Naxx moved because they didn't want you doing old naxx anymore when they made new naxx. Old dalaran moved because it didn't affect any new players. It didn't really exist for us either - was just a pink bubble. New dalaran doesn't need to change, because if they did the entirety of TBC and wrath need changing.
    So you're saying Blizzard doesn't update the world, and Dalaran was just an exception? An exception, that apparently wasn't the only one by far. What kind of a rule is that? Blizzard updates whatever they want when they feel like it. There is no rule. The only rule here probably is, "if it's too much work, we won't do it"

    Blizzard doesn't like to have such inconsistencies in the game. That's why they removed Dalaran from Hillsbrad. It makes no sense to have it in two places. That's why they removed Naxxramas from the Plaguelands. It's not there anymore storywise, so why would they leave it there?

    If they ever put Dalaran in a different place, then the cleanest way of doing that is to remove it from Northrend. And if that's too much work, they'll probably leave things as they are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    dalaran in vanilla wasnt actually there, it was just a big purple bubble with nothing in it and there were no quests there. adding in a big crater was just something they thought was cool and changed nothing
    Which only shows that it has nothing to do with that place being in the past, but with how easy it is to remove it.

    There is no logical consistency in saying "still having it in Dalaran makes sense, because it's in the past." Because the exact same thing can be said about the Hillsbrad version of Dalaran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    So you're saying Blizzard doesn't update the world, and Dalaran was just an exception? An exception, that apparently wasn't the only one by far. What kind of a rule is that? Blizzard updates whatever they want when they feel like it. There is no rule. The only rule here probably is, "if it's too much work, we won't do it"

    Blizzard doesn't like to have such inconsistencies in the game. That's why they removed Dalaran from Hillsbrad. It makes no sense to have it in two places. That's why they removed Naxxramas from the Plaguelands. It's not there anymore storywise, so why would they leave it there?

    If they ever put Dalaran in a different place, then the cleanest way of doing that is to remove it from Northrend. And if that's too much work, they'll probably leave things as they are now.
    If this were true you'd be able to do naxx 60 still. You cannot therefore dalaran is still your only example.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    There is no logical consistency in saying "still having it in Dalaran makes sense, because it's in the past." Because the exact same thing can be said about the Hillsbrad version of Dalaran.
    All the content in Hillsbrad, just like the rest of Azeroth/Kalimdor (other than Northrend and the Blood Elf/Draenai starting zones) takes place after the Cataclysm, which occured after the fall of the Lich King.

    There's no in-game explanation for why Outland and Northrend are stuck "in the past", but they very distinctly are. Garrosh himself is a great example - you can still find "Garrosh, son of Hellscream" while questing through Nagrand, then find Garrosh Hellscream <Overlord of the Warsong Offensive> in Borean Tundra.

    The actual reason is obvious enough (it would be A LOT of work for no real gain gameplay-wise), but lore-wise, it doesn't make sense as it is, so there's no need to update it for that sort of thing. Dalaran, like Garrosh, can be in multiple places at once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    There is no logical consistency in saying "still having it in Dalaran makes sense, because it's in the past." Because the exact same thing can be said about the Hillsbrad version of Dalaran.
    The whole "when you go to Outland/Northrend, you go back in time" hasn't been declared until Cataclysm, when you went from post-Cata EK/Kalimdor to pre-Cata-pre-LK-Outland, you didn't actually go back in time when going from Northrend to old world as every action from TBC/WotLK has left its mark on the old world (Dark Portal opening and moving of Kazzak to Outland, moving of Dalaran, Wrathgate)... Basically there were no timeline inconsistencies if you did the content in the right order (e.g. kill Kael'Thas in TK first and then in MgT, do quests in WPL first, then go to Scholo etc.), this changed when the whole 1-60, which is played before Outland/Northrend, was moved forward in the timeline after those...

    That being said, I don't think there's any problem in keeping both Northrend Dalaran and possible new Dalaran somewhere else...

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    They should build a new Dalaran and call it...New Dalaran.

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    It seems to me that the two bases below Dalaran can fill in for the things presently in the city. Although, it will do it less grandly.

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